Posted on 10/02/2023 11:57:46 AM PDT by ADSUM
“The Catholic Church teaches that when we partake of the Eucharist in Holy Communion, we are consuming the actual physical body of Jesus Christ (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1244, 1275, 1375).”
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Do we believe that Jesus can change the bread and wine into His Body and Blood (Transubstantiation) just as He changed water into wine (John 2:1-11)?
Do you believe that Jesus gave us His Body and Blood on the Cross to redeem the sins of mankind and He gave us His Body and Blood in the Sacrament of the Eucharist to eat and drink for our bodily nourishment and for our souls to have eternal life?
There are many reasons that believers in the Real Presence give as to why we should take Jesus’ words “Eat my flesh, drink my blood” (John 6:54) literally. Perhaps the most persuasive is the fact that both his disciples and his Jewish audience understood him literally, and Jesus didn’t correct them.
In verse 52, the Jews respond, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” In verse 60, his disciples respond, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” You would think that if his audience were mistaken, and given the gravity of this teaching, Jesus would have corrected their literal understanding. Since Jesus didn’t correct their literal understanding, we can conclude that they didn’t get it wrong.
COMMUNION NOT THE LITERAL BODY AND BLOOD IF JESUS. FALSE TEACHING!
Do we accept that through consuming Christ’s Body and Blood in the Eucharist that mutual abiding of Christ in us and our communion with Him (John 15:5 and John 15:6)?
Do we believe that the flesh of Jesus “is of no avail” (John 6:63)? Does this verse contrast human reason’s ability to comprehend revealed truths while the Spirit’s ability to enlighten our minds?
Your false teaching.
This is what Jesus taught with the Apostles and their successors!
In the Catholic Church, the Eucharist is the real prescience, as a hole priest once explained , “whether you believe it or not”
Thats all.
Catholicism also teaches that we have free will to believe and to not believe
Therefore, convincing others of Catholic teaching is not part of the religious practices
One should also consider that this is his risen glorified body. It is still a true substance.
That phraseology ("actual physical body") is not the language the catechism uses, and probably should be avoided. Instead, the catechism speaks of a Presence that is "real" and "substantial".
I think "actual physical body" is hard to reconcile with the accidents of an "actual physical body" not being present.
Yes. We all have free will to believe God’s Truth or not.
However, Jesus commanded us:
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them ..., teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, and behold. I am with you always, to the close of the age.” Matthew 28:19-20
So Jesus wants us to spread the Good News and teach them God’s revealed truths for their salvation.
If you’re surprised to find that two saints by the name of Francis (Xavier and Assisi) told their listeners to choose between Catholicism and the loss of their souls, you shouldn’t be. This was the choice Jesus gave to Jewish leaders and was the one given by the apostles to those who heard them preach (e.g., Acts 13:46-49).
As Scott Hahn says, “When we evangelize others, we evangelize ourselves” (Evangelizing Catholics, 38).
“Instead, the catechism speaks of a Presence that is “real” and “substantial”.”
Yes. Spiritual.
YEAH LET’S SPEND TIME ARGUING ABOUT THIS.
WAS IT SYMBOLIC? OR ARE WE ACTUALY EATING ACTUAL FLESH (LIKE CANNIBALS?)
WE NEED TO SETTLE THS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS *NOTHING* ELSE MORE IMPORTANT...!
“ teaching them…”
Yes. I did that here.
‘The Eucharist is the real presence whether you believe it or not’ is what I said
What did I miss?
I’m thinking substantial also has a physical element to it
Well I have been taught it is supernatural and spiritual. But no mortal really knows and fully understands the details regarding these mysteries.
That’s a bad argument. It’s up there with “I know you are but what am I?”!
Scripture verse, rationale and history have been provided. The only thing I’m seeing is screaming and Protestant tradition.
“Real,” “sacramental,” and “objectively present” are all good terms. “Physical” implies that a physical test could detect the presence (otherwise, what does “physical” mean?), which it can’t, absent a miracle.
St. Paul speaks of people getting sick and dying for failure to discern the true presence. Sound like a symbol to you?
“But no mortal really knows and fully understands the details regarding these mysteries.”
That is probably the best one can do. Some churches offer non-alcoholic wine and glutton free bread which can be hard to explain as well.
these are all good points and mystery is certainly involved. Eucharistic miracles suggests that the substance of the Eucharist (body of Christ) can certainly manifest as real flesh but does not necessarily have to ... mysterious for sure
That was a quote from the article in Catholic Answers.
I do believe that we physicality eat and drink the Body and Blood of Jesus. CCC 1374 states “The whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.”...”by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present.”
I do believe that Jesus makes himself fully present in the Eucharist, and as Catholics we believe by faith in his Word.
We are given the greatest gift from Jesus and He becomes part of us and we abide in Him.
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