Posted on 10/26/2020 6:10:50 AM PDT by Cronos
Trent-
“If anyone asserts that this sin of Adam, which in its origin is one, and by propagation, not by imitation, transfused into all, which is in each one as something that is his own, is taken away either by the forces of human nature or by a remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ . . . let him be anathema.” (Session V, 3)..
The Church clearly states The Blessed Virgin Mary is NOT a substitute for Christ as asserted by non-Catholics.
I’m just glad that you finally agree with your saints, fellow Catholics, Justin Martyr, AND THE SDA CHURCH that Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ.
Saint Melito of Sardis:
The Lord Jesus Christ is acknowledged as the perfect Reason, the Word of God; who was begotten before the light; who was Creator with the Father; who was the Fashioner of man; who was all things in all; Patriarch among the patriarchs, Law in the law, Chief Priest among the priests, King among the kings, Prophet among the prophets, Archangel among the angels;
Now you just have to convince 4/5 of your priests to stop being homosexual.
What your man made Church confirms is meaningless in light of the scriptures...Your constant worshiping of Mary by 'praying to her' will get you nowhere...She can't hear you...If she could she'd come down here and put a curse on you for worshiping her...
Mary is only half complete...Her body has turned to dust and is laying in the ground somewhere waiting on the redemption of her body to complete her transformation into a celestial body...
Why would you waste your time praying to Mary when it is Jesus who says, Come unto me (not my mother) and I will give you rest...
Jesus is not unapproachable...He pleads with us to come to him...
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
If you think you can get mercy and grace by or thru Jesus' mother, your going to be in for one massive surprise...
While others may not agree, I figure my mother was blessed to have me...She may not even agree...
But I'm just using your Logic.
You say The Blessed Virgin was a "sinner" because she said in Luke - "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."... and so is obviously in need Salvation from her sinfulness, like all of us.
(Which by the way is NOT the way a Jewish girl would perceive for her Jewish "Messiah"... and since Mary just being an ordinary Jewish Girl - she would have understood that Messiah's coming meant- and that he would be a King - a warrior, a revolutionary whose mission was to deliver ONLY for the Jews. The Jewish Messiah - is not a savior concerned with the afterlife of humanity. THEN- the main mission of the Jewish Messiah was to secure the return of all exiled Jews to the land of Israel, not in the afterlife but on earth... The Christian ideals for redemption - and the purposes for the atonement for sins, was neither prevalent yet- and certainly not what the Jews were concerned with. They had the Law- and the works of those Laws that Christ would often rebuke them for. But Mary was not waiting for the Jesus that she would bring into this world.) But if you want to think Mary was desiring of Christian salvation so be it.
But if Mary needs a savior and and she knows it - as you say - then Christ needed to be Baptized and he knew it. What else would a need for Baptism- renewal -be if not sin? Just playing along ?
No - Christ was sinless... Baptism for Jesus was obviously NOT the same as for us... God has done something miraculous- in ALL of time for the Blessed Virgin- that cannot be denied. No other would be chosen to Mother Christ.
This logic of "it must be so" also inspires the atheist who is wrong to argue "ALL men have sinned and fallen short...." - Well, Christ was a man...albeit God incarnate... so he should be included in All due to a natural birth of Mary, so as Man- sinner... All means All afterall....
You may have enough Faith to explain those things that are not always obvious in scripture, but when the faith stops short of believing in the magnificence of what God has done, and is able to do for us... you ascribe to God a limited ability - even to choose the Mother of our Lord - that is ultimately constrained by your personal view to accept or deny.
Martin Luther actually puts it pretty good , even after leaving the Church....
"One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521)
You know very little of what the Church believes - or its doctrines.
How could you.
For the third time; what did she choose?
I can understand some folks thinking I'm a woman; but it takes a really special person to toss in the transgender as well.
Like I typed before; I've neither the desire or the inclination to correct folks for leaps of speculation.
It would depend on how long the power was knocked out.
Remember the East Coast blackout of...
Stir up that old pot; as this thread is fizzing out.
Our FR Catholics have been SHOWN the scripture (that Rome has provided BTW) that you refer to here in many, many threads.
They just insist on repeating what they have been taught (and evidently believe) over and over and over.
But; hopefully; not AFTER going thru what Job did!
Just where have the non-Catholics said she was a 'substitute'?
Well; FR is blessed to have you!
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I guess Google fails to work on Izzy’s computer.
Stork
See you at the pre trib rapture. 👍
I doubt CRONOS (a fallen angel name, IIRC) will be at the PreTrib Rapture since it will only include those whom GOD has born again into His Eternity.
And given your displayed effort to conflate your ORG with the actual Body of Christ which is the true Ekklesia/CHURCH, it is a fair bet you know little to nothing about The One True EKKLESIA Body of Christ. But then we already know you’re a blind Catholic and not likely a Christian just a wannabe. But you will never find The One True Church membership so long as youkeep trusting in your works to earn what God gives by Faith Alone in Christ Alone.
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