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To: metmom
That isn’t the Jesus of the Bible and He can’t save you. You need to find the true Jesus to be saved.

But I'm just using your Logic.

You say The Blessed Virgin was a "sinner" because she said in Luke - "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."... and so is obviously in need Salvation from her sinfulness, like all of us.
(Which by the way is NOT the way a Jewish girl would perceive for her Jewish "Messiah"... and since Mary just being an ordinary Jewish Girl - she would have understood that Messiah's coming meant- and that he would be a King - a warrior, a revolutionary whose mission was to deliver ONLY for the Jews. The Jewish Messiah - is not a savior concerned with the afterlife of humanity. THEN- the main mission of the Jewish Messiah was to secure the return of all exiled Jews to the land of Israel, not in the afterlife but on earth... The Christian ideals for redemption - and the purposes for the atonement for sins, was neither prevalent yet- and certainly not what the Jews were concerned with. They had the Law- and the works of those Laws that Christ would often rebuke them for. But Mary was not waiting for the Jesus that she would bring into this world.) But if you want to think Mary was desiring of Christian salvation so be it.

But if Mary needs a savior and and she knows it - as you say - then Christ needed to be Baptized and he knew it. What else would a need for Baptism- renewal -be if not sin? Just playing along ?
No - Christ was sinless... Baptism for Jesus was obviously NOT the same as for us... God has done something miraculous- in ALL of time for the Blessed Virgin- that cannot be denied. No other would be chosen to Mother Christ.

This logic of "it must be so" also inspires the atheist who is wrong to argue "ALL men have sinned and fallen short...." - Well, Christ was a man...albeit God incarnate... so he should be included in All due to a natural birth of Mary, so as Man- sinner... All means All afterall....

You may have enough Faith to explain those things that are not always obvious in scripture, but when the faith stops short of believing in the magnificence of what God has done, and is able to do for us... you ascribe to God a limited ability - even to choose the Mother of our Lord - that is ultimately constrained by your personal view to accept or deny.

Martin Luther actually puts it pretty good , even after leaving the Church....
"One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521)

145 posted on 10/27/2020 9:48:36 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“But now if you have a purse, take it.. and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one)
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To: MurphsLaw
But if Mary needs a savior and and she knows it - as you say - then Christ needed to be Baptized and he knew it.

Sorry; but your IF...THEN statement has returned an error.

Please check the syntax and re-run program.


155 posted on 10/27/2020 4:55:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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