Author predicts rapture -- again

UPI ^ | 1 Sept 1989 | David Tortorano

[Cronos]

[CptnObvious]

The test of a Prophet is that what he says comes true and if not "you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 13:3

[Campion]

Don't forget all the predictions made right here on this forum that the "rapture" would happen in October, 2017, because of some astronomical alignment of Jupiter and Virgo.

[Cronos]

Yup - the October 2017 rapture!

[hecticskeptic]

It is foolish for anyone to try to predict Christ’s return. Regardless, there is no conflict between these verses...it is the nature of the lost to know what God promises but that they will scoff anyway.

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”...….44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

2 Peter 3:3 “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

[Cronos]

2 Peter has Peter specifically describing the days he and his readers were living in as "the last days"

The Millenium is a spiritual reign of Christ that has been present in the community of Christ since Pentecost.

The Bible continually uses the terms Kingdom of God, Kingdom of heaven, Messianic Kingdom and Church interchangeably

• Matt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
• Matt 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
• Matt 16:13-20: 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
• Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

  The entire bible is amillenial and the Rapturists can only distort Revelation 20:1-6 -- note "distort" to put their 19th century rapture philosophy

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  Yet we need to read what the Apostles themselves were taught and what they believed

  • Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    
    
  • Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    
    
  • Peter says in Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

  Notice that they state that the Apostles and their listeneres were in the last days or the end of the age -- because the Messiah had come

  Peter never changed his mind about this - as we read in 1 Pet 1:20 Christ was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake

  This is relected in Pauline epistles like 2 Tim 3:1 "In these last days" and Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

  We have been in the last days since that first advent of Christ

  Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfillment. WE are already at 'the last hour'. Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way

[Lee N. Field]

Don't forget all the predictions made right here on this forum that the "rapture" would happen in October, 2017, because of some astronomical alignment of Jupiter and Virgo.

down the Memory Hole, just like the rest of them.

Remember Comet Elenin? Blood moons? The Mayan calendar thing?

[dp0622]

Lol

[dartuser]

If an event is imminent, then you cannot predict the date; because there is nothing that must happen before the event. Some things could happen ... but nothing must happen.

[z3n]

...and people ‘interpreting’ nostrodamus have been wrong a hundred times... and I think the jehovas witness watchtower thing stopped drying after a century of getting it wrong... and Nibiru never game like the mayan clock readers thought it would or however that one was supposed to work in 2012. Lets not forget Y2K or the people who said we were finally being told about UFOs by the government for a reason.

To be honest, I would say secret factions of civil terrorism being completely overlooked by law enforcement investigation as well as covered for by the media is probably a bigger sign of doom and gloom than anything some NASA nerd put in a pamphlet

[MurphsLaw]

Matt 25 -
+++"Watch ye therefore, because you know not the day nor the hour."+++

For any believer...this should mean, ….. stop guessing...….

[Sequoyah101]

Anybody ever get “The End Times” magazine? What a worthless rag that my wife subscribes to. I’ve tried to ban it unsuccessfully.

Why dwell on such negative vibes? What is the point of this?

I guess everybody is OC about something or other. As a preoccupation though this one escapes me.

[seowulf]

Didn’t the Mayan calendar run out in 2012?

And whatever happened to Nostradamus?

[Cronos]

it’s fanned by those who are misled by con-men peddling the 19th century pre-Trib secret rapture fantasy

[married21]

Well, one of these guys will be right, eventually.

[Lee N. Field]

Didn’t the Mayan calendar run out in 2012?

I remember seeing, in the Barnes & Noble "Christian stuff" section, a book tying the Mayan calendar thing to Revelation and the end times.

This was in January 2013. Ooops.

[aimhigh]

For any believer...this should mean, ….. stop guessing...….

Agreed. I had a friend who was constantly trying to connect dates and events. I finally asked him to show me where the scriptures tell us to 'figure out the dates and times'.

[Big Red Badger]

“In a Twinkling,,,”

[HarleyD]

Revelation 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

John felt he was going through the tribulation and if anyone should know, it would be John.

[Cronos]

Harley - very true

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To: Cronos

Revelation 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

John felt he was going through the tribulation and if anyone should know, it would be John.

19 posted on 06/17/2020 2:42:19 AM PDT by HarleyD

This indicates that the book of the Revelation was written in a time of perseuciton - repeated in Rev 2:10, 12:11 and 13:15

This was only wide-spread during Nero's time, not in the 90s under Domitian

Tacitus relates how Nero amused himself with the torture of Christians - in his Annals

[HarleyD]

Revelation 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

John felt he was going through the tribulation and if anyone should know, it would be John.