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The Muddled Messaging Of The Quran
Youtube ^ | 5/31/20 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 05/31/2020 2:48:14 PM PDT by OddLane

I explore the self-contradictory nature of Islam's preeminent text, and explain why its understanding of suffering-and the role it plays in the life of the believer-is hopelessly inadequate.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Islam; Theology
KEYWORDS: islam; thebible; thekoran
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1 posted on 05/31/2020 2:48:14 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Muddled? That is putting it lightly. Even Islamic “scholars” cannot decide on what it means, nor can they decide on the correct order of the Surahs (chapters), that is why they put them in order of length—and they even got that wrong as the second is longer than the first. Bluntly put, the koran is nothing more than the epileptic ravings of a thief, murderer, rapist, adulterer, and child abuser named Mahomet (British spelling). The entire “religion” is nothing but a fairy tale.


2 posted on 05/31/2020 2:55:48 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: OddLane

What’s muddled about the quran. There are 68 passages in the quran that directs the muslim to lie, cheat, steal and kill the infidel. What’s confusing about that. Libs vote for the muslims into elected office and they do not swear allegiance to the USA, they can’t because their allegiance is to allie.


3 posted on 05/31/2020 3:00:59 PM PDT by chopperk
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To: OddLane

Satan’s message is always muddled, confusing, and whispers murder and mayhem.


4 posted on 05/31/2020 3:07:40 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: OddLane
The Koran, at its best, is a knockoff of our Old Testament. I have a copy of it because my husband got it when we worked in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi contractors were NOT to bribe American engineers (my husband) for contract$ but they WERE allowed to give the American engineers one and only ONE gift: a Quoran.
Thus I still have it.

5 posted on 05/31/2020 3:12:38 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: chopperk
What’s muddled about the quran. There are 68 passages in the quran that directs the muslim to lie, cheat, steal and kill the infidel. What’s confusing about that. Libs vote for the muslims into elected office and they do not swear allegiance to the USA, they can’t because their allegiance is to allie.

Which passages are those? I have a copy of the Quran...a gift from a Saudi contractor to my husband...American engineer and ARAMCO employee.
I sorta read the Quran once but that was a LONG time ago. It's properly called (reading right to left)
The Glorious Quran القرآن الكريم

6 posted on 05/31/2020 3:17:45 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Did you read it?


7 posted on 05/31/2020 3:18:10 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: cloudmountain

It is nothing close to the old testament. There are perverted references to the old testament, but most is lunatic ravings by that terrorist prophet Mohammad.


8 posted on 05/31/2020 3:18:37 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: Fungi
Did you read it?

I scanned it years ago.
I do have it right in front of me. Big, thick book.
Each page has the English on the left and the Arabic on the right.

Apparently, I've read, the 7th century Arabic is quite different from the Arabic of today.

9 posted on 05/31/2020 3:20:29 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

It is simply fully vocalized.


10 posted on 05/31/2020 3:22:31 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: OddLane

Www.prophetofdoom.net

Craig Winn’s excellent site. Highly rscommded


11 posted on 05/31/2020 3:34:17 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump pence II!)
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To: OddLane; All
The Koran chapters are not in order and are all mixed up.
If you read the Koran you will be confused, as the earlier peaceful Mecca chapters are mixed with the later militant Madinah chapters.

Below is a link that will tell you the time line order they were written. -Tom

https://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.qran.org/q-chrono.htm&date=2011-05-13

12 posted on 05/31/2020 3:49:41 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: ConservativeInPA
"The Quran mentions the Torah, the Zabur ("Psalms") and the Injil ("Gospel") as being revealed by God to the prophets Moses, David and Jesus respectively in the same way the Quran was revealed to Muhammad, the final prophet and messenger of God according to Muslims."

bible vs quran chart: https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=bible+vs+quran+chart&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPlKGMkt_pAhXyna0KHV5bDrsQsAR6BAgHEAE&biw=1081&bih=624

It's mildly interesting to those interested in history.

My husband and I worked over there for five years.
They paid my husband six times his US salary PLUS American employees didn't have to pay ANY federal income tax on the first $80,000.00 they made. (1980) That was the "CARROT" held out for us to live over there.
I worked as well and got paid triple what I made here. Salaries increased over the five years, of course.
We were paid HUGE amounts to visit home for six weeks every year. We were saving up for a house. We had the money after two years but we stayed to see more of the world.
We went to Egypt twice (they liked Americans), Kenya, China, Singapore, India, Syria, Turkey--so many places.
And since we weren't living stateside we had no STATE income tax to pay either.

The only reason to go there was for money.

American engineers wouldn't go there unless they could have their priests and preachers living there too. The Saudis accommodated them by bringing the priests and ministers in with the name "Special Teacher" instead of "priest" or "minister," since non-Muslim holy men were forbidden in the Kingdom.

Our "family camp" had a Dominican priest who celebrated a daily 9:00 A.M. Mass. At first, Mass was celebrated in his home. But then more space was needed so the giant room where all big events were held became the place he celebrated Mass. I don't know if you recall seeing old film of WWII and priests celebrating Mass, sometimes within ear-shot of gun fire. All THEY needed to celebrate Mass was a table, water ... and wine, and bread...I THINK!

The priests also administered comfort and the Catholic Church's "Last Rites" to dying men on the battlefield.
They were ENLISTED soldiers-priests--CHAPLANS.
The Protestants DIDN'T get a minister from each and every Protestant denomination and the one they did get was a Lutheran minister...and his wife. He held the once-a-week "Church" meeting at that same hall where the DAILY Mass was held. He had to celebrate only on Fridays, as that is the Islamic "Sunday."
Since Catholics have DAILY Mass I chose Sundays. I had to take off 22 minutes from work to do that but I made up that 22 minutes at lunch.

My co-worker, a Roman Catholic Indian from South India, PROTESTED and complained to our Saudi boss that I should go to Mass on Fridays, like everyone else.
I can remember my boss's words to him. English was his second language but he was very clear: "Harry, God is Number One. There is always time for God. 'cloudmountain' can go to pray whenever she wants."

He was correct, of course, and when we got back I started going to Mass six days a week. I still do.
There IS always time for God, isn't there?

St. Thomas, the Apostle, evangelized southern India and today still many Catholic males are named "Thomas."

13 posted on 05/31/2020 3:59:30 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Keep writing, but you will not convince me that Islam is nothing but a death cult and references to our Bible are often perverted in their book of Satan. I have read the Quran and I have read the Holy Bible multiple times. We do not share the same God of Abraham. Theirs is a perversion. Muhammad was nothing more that a pedophile terrorist that went into wilderness, starved himself and had delusions. People who believe in the Quran are infected by the devil. They are instructed to lie to infidels to get what they want. That’s you and me. You can’t believe a word they say. They do not share western Christian values. In short, all Muslims are evil. Period.


14 posted on 05/31/2020 4:08:50 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: Fungi
It is simply fully vocalized.

What is?
The call to prayer WAS vocalized because the country had no IRON for bells like the Europeans had. The bells sounded the "call to prayer." So they "called" with their own voices. The imams still "call" today but they have wonderful sound systems.
Still the call to prayer is generally muffled by all the sounds of traffic...which is usually a MESS.

There is no "service" per se like the Christians have and Saudi women generally pray at home. Homes are filled with extended families so there isn't usually a dearth of company.

Boys stay with the mother until they are NINE. Then they go with the men. Tents didn't have more that two areas: male and female.
With the galactic size fortune the Saudi king has to give away many couples can now have their own place...which, I understand, is INFINITELY preferable. I can't blame them.

The King insists that all men work. They can change their date of birth three times, which means that they can work longer. I don't blame the men for not wanted to be at home with all the women. Lol.

I remember one conversation a bunch of the men and our boss were having. They kept mentioning the word "sayareet" and shaking their heads.
Afterwards I asked by boss "What is a sayareet?"
He said that the men were complaining about their 18-year-old sons who DIDN'T want to work and DIDN'T want to go to school. They just wanted to drive around in their "saryareet"--CARS!
I laughed and said that OUR 18-year-olds were much the same!

15 posted on 05/31/2020 4:14:13 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
This may be a help in distinguishing the Holy Bible from the Book of Satan (Quran)
16 posted on 05/31/2020 4:16:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: Capt. Tom

Thank you.


17 posted on 05/31/2020 4:21:24 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: cloudmountain

I was taking about the script. To call it a “knock off” of the Old Testament is simply not true. You evidently have not read it make that comparison. “sayarah” in Arabic means car. Different countries have different dialects.


18 posted on 05/31/2020 4:21:47 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: ConservativeInPA
Keep writing, but you will not convince me that Islam is nothing but a death cult and references to our Bible are often perverted in their book of Satan. I have read the Quran and I have read the Holy Bible multiple times. We do not share the same God of Abraham. Theirs is a perversion. Muhammad was nothing more that a pedophile terrorist that went into wilderness, starved himself and had delusions. People who believe in the Quran are infected by the devil. They are instructed to lie to infidels to get what they want. That’s you and me. You can’t believe a word they say. They do not share western Christian values. In short, all Muslims are evil. Period.

Well, we lived there five years and one gets to know that NO ONE is all evil, except Satan.
You go ahead and HATE Islam, HATE Arabs and HATE Saudis. It doesn't hurt them or me. It just keeps your soul full of anger and hate and I couldn't care less. Maybe it makes you feel GOOD to be filled with such hatred 24-7. Everyone has a lacuna in his life.

I'm sure that our good Lord is DELIGHTED with your hate-filled soul.

By the way, the largest Muslim country in the WORLD in Indonesia, so you better get started hating THEM as well.
The largest Muslim population in a country is in Indonesia, a nation home to 12.7% of the world's Muslims, followed by Pakistan (11.0%), and India (10.9%). About 20% of Muslims live in Arab countries.
Islam by country - Wikipedia
Now you can learn to hate ALL KINDS OF COUNTRIES.
Wouldn't Satan be PROUD of you!

19 posted on 05/31/2020 4:22:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Fungi
SAYAREET is car... lol. Close but no cigar.
20 posted on 05/31/2020 4:23:38 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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