Posted on 12/24/2019 7:54:59 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
So, who needs the catholic church then? I mean, we all go to heaven and anything goes.
Francis was made pope to destroy the Catholic Church from the top. It’s really that simple.
No doubt he was. He has evil in his eyes.
Wow....Paul's life would have been a lot easier if he'd only followed this advice. And so would have the lives of a lot of other believers.
Um, maybe I’m confused dear pope socialista but exactly what did those dudes known as disciples do?
This Pope is about as bad as they come in my opinion. This guy is so messed up then he managed to be a fascist and a communist. During the Dirty War in Argentina, he used his position in the church to bless the junta when it was murdering people, throwing them out of helicopters. And make no mistake, 99% of them were not like Vietcong, or some sort of armed Rebels. They were various students, journalists, writers and people active politically on the left. It was just outright murder. And this guy happily gave them cover.
Now that that ara is over, and the Junta is long gone, he throws his lot in with the communists of today. This tells me something very basic about the moral cowardice of this man. He is simply an opportunist who gloms onto power, and throws in with whatever faction has power at that moment. Now he has thrown his lot in with the globalists and gained control of the Catholic Church. Evil man, weak man.
He seems to have actually said this, “the Church does not grow by proselytism.”
Isn’t that an admission he is not interested in saving souls? His focus is growing the Church? He sounds to me only like someone wanting to bring dues-paying members into a club.
He can be defended on many of his pronouncements by saying he speaks ambiguously and unclearly. Defending him on this basis is absolving the English king of all responsibility for the death of Thomas a Becket. Surely it’s his duty as head of a world wide organization to speak clearly or not at all. But “who are we to judge,” right?
I will pray for his conversion and salvation.
POPE FRANCESCO:
Let's go to your first. When I taught what look and what words I had towards believing children or of other religions ... But in Argentina there is a social phenomenon, which is the migratory phenomenon. After the two great wars there were migratory waves from Europe, also from Asia Minor and the Italians ... Do you think that 40% of Argentines have an Italian surname, almost the other 40 Spanish. Then Poles, Russians, all ... even Arabs, whom we called "Turks" because they came with the passport of the great Ottoman Empire. There is a mixture of blood, a strong mixed race in Argentina - I am the son of a migrant - and this has made a culture of coexistence. I went to public school and we always had companions from other religions. We were educated to coexistence: “There is a Jew, Russian ah ... Come, come! I am a friend of Russian! ". They said Russian because the majority of the Jews came from Odessa, some from Poland but the majority from Odessa. Then there was some Arab, Lebanese, Syrian ... "Ah, Turkish! Come come!". This was Mohammedan, this was Jewish ... But we all played football together, we were all friends. This has taught me so much, that we are all the same, all children of God and this purifies your gaze, it makes you human. In Argentina there is a small group of too closed Catholics who do not want Jews, do not want Muslims but this group, at least I have never liked it, is a group that is on the corner, they have a cultural magazine but they do not have incidence in society and when I taught I looked at them as they were, this is the secret. You must be consistent with your faith. It didn't occur to me and it doesn't have to be like saying to a boy or a girl: "You are Jewish, you are Muslim: come, be converted!". You be consistent with your faith and that consistency is what will make you mature. We are not in the times of the crusades. It's a bad thing but it made me suffer so much, a step of the "Chanson de Roland", when the Christians, the crusaders had won the Muslims and then a queue of all the Muslims was queued and the priest was in front of it and a soldier. The priest in front of the baptismal font and everyone came - read that passage - he asked: "Either the baptism or the sword". This has happened in history! They also do it with us Christians in other parts, they are also doing it, but what happened to us "shame" (shame) because it is a story of forced conversion, of not respecting the dignity of the person. This is why my experience was natural with people of other religions because my dad my dad's job was an accountant and he had so many Jewish business clients and they came home, it was normal and I didn't have this as a problem. But it must be normal. Nothing to leave them aside because they have another faith. And you. Damiano, what word would he use to convince someone to become a Christian ...
DAMIANO:
If you asked her a fundamental reason to start believing ...
POPE FRANCESCO:
The first is everything. In front of an unbeliever the last thing I have to do is try to convince him. Never. The last thing I have to do is speak. I have to live consistent with my faith. And it will be my testimony to awaken the curiosity of the other who says: "But why do you do this?". And yes I can speak there. But listen, never, never bring the gospel with proselytism. If someone says you are a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, this is not a disciple of Jesus. Proselytism is not done, the Church does not grow by proselytism. Pope Benedict had said it, it grows by attraction, by testimony. Football teams do proselytism, this can be done, political parties can be done there but with faith no proselytism. And if someone says to me: "But why you?". Read, read, read the Gospel, this is my faith. But without pressure.
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I don't see anything there that says "don't share your faith". He mostly seems to be saying that you should attract people to the faith by the life you live, not by your clever arguments.
It would be helpful if he were clearer about the terms he uses. He seems to be equating “proselytism” with something closer to what we would call in American English a “recruiting pitch” or a “sales pitch”.
Do you agree the believer should be advancing the Gospel in both word and deed?
The Catholic Church continues to do missionary work around the world. From Asia to South America to Africa to one of my neighbors who we sponsored in trying to bring Christianity back to America's East Coast. If you are using this Pope to measure Catholicism, any FR Catholic will tell you that you will have a distorted view. Bergolio is not in the mold of Paul, JP2, nor Benedict. He is clearly the worst Pope we've ever seen.
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.”
Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Pretty clear what the Bible says and means
Somehow I don't see the Disciples as timidly "sharing" their faith.
They were bold in their proclamation, and determined in their mission.
Paul, in 2 Corinthians 11:
in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death. 24 Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep. 26 I have been on frequent journeys, in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my countrymen, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers on the sea, dangers among false brethren; 27 I have been in labor and hardship, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure.
January 6th
Once Upon a Time and not too long ago
The Twelfth Night Of Christmas
was celebrated with a ball
From the Day of Babes Birth
and the 11 thereafter
kith and kin were paid a visit
and friends from far and near
once were paid a call
So on this day I pray in the spirit that this date recalls
Let the gift of homage of kings gain
in the spirit of the days this season yet remain
ere it wane
Be thine Blessings Great
and misfortunes thee none befall
This is an abbreviated version of my poem in my poetry page.I’ve recorded how this season was observed by Catholics prior to the Vat 2 changes plus other changes is offered here
http://www.theusmat.com/natdesk.htm
He might be. But then again, he might not be. And if he is not, then what he’s saying denies the entire apostolic mission.
What possible justification could he have for allowing that interpretation? When someone does this repeatedly after being repeatedly put on notice of it, how can the dual message be unintentional?
I don’t see anything there that says “don’t share your faith”. He mostly seems to be saying that you should attract people to the faith by the life you live, not by your clever arguments.
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It’s an interesting thought philosophically, but one wonders how effectively the Faith would grow if people simply “lived their lives” and never “wore their faith on their sleave”. How would one know that one’s care for others stems from a faith in Jesus Christ? You certainly don’t have to be a Christian to be concerned with others material needs. To me it seems like a soft-way of attacking evangelizing. I wonder if the Apostles would share the same opinion about evangelization.
“Asked by one of the students Friday how a Christian should treat people of other faiths or no faith, the pope said that “we are all the same, all children of God” and that true disciples of Jesus do not proselytize.”
That is like saying Christ did not proselytize.
To me that is blasphemy.
Sigh...
Rev 18:4
I’m not a follower of Paul. I’m a follower of Jesus.
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