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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your understanding of the Scriptures is shall we say....unique. You're reading into the Scriptures your Roman Catholic indoctrination.

Yes...salvation is from the Jews. They were originally to be the priests...but we know how that worked out.

We have salvation because of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

An individual has to either accept or reject that....on an individual level.

Can we help that lost unsaved individual by sharing the Gospel? Yes. We are called to do that.

The error comes if someone fails to see that we are stewards of grace, stewards of salvation, and instead misinterpret us a rivals or competitors of Christ, or usurpers of His prerogatives. Nothing could be further from the truth.,/I>

At the individual level we do this. We don't have a bank of salvation we can give to one or another. Your salvation is your own.

For instance, to interpret most Christians' veneration of Mary as idolatry, as if she were being put up as a kind of goddess, a fourth-person-of-the-Trinity, is to miss that actually "salvation is from the Jews" and Jesus is from Mary, His Jewish Mother (which is what makes Him a Jew!) And the Incarnation proceeded because of her handmaidenly cooperation, to be mother of Incarnate God.

Yet that is exactly what Roman Catholicism has done. Mary has been elevated to the fourth person of the Trinity though just not dogmatically....yet. The fifth marian dogma will just about do that when it's passed.

Yes....Roman Catholics do worship Mary as amply demonstrated in these threads. They have accorded to her many of the same titles as Christ:

mediatrix v mediator;

co-redemptrix v redeemer;

advocatrix v advocate

reliance upon Mary for salvation v reliance upon Christ for salvation;

praying TO Mary v praying TO Christ;

Morning Star v Bright and Morning star;

These are but a few....and trust me....there are plenty more.

Consider this prayer to Mary:

My most beloved Lady, I thank thee for having delivered me from Hell as many times as I have deserved it by my sins. Miserable creature that I was, I was once condemned to that prison, and perhaps already, after the first sin, the sentence would have been put into execution, if thou, in thy compassion hadst not helped me. http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/hope3.htm

TAKEN FROM THE GLORIES OF MARY by St. Alphonsus Liguori Redemptorist Fathers, 1931 with Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur Published on the Web with Permission

Now, compare that falsehood with the Word of God:

1I will extol You, O LORD, for You have lifted me up, And have not let my enemies rejoice over me. 2 O LORD my God, I cried to You for help, and You healed me. 3 O LORD, You have brought up my soul from Sheol; You have kept me alive, that I would not go down to the pit. Psalm 30:1-3 NASB

God delivers the sinner from Hell....not Mary. The Scriptures are crystal clear on this.

Yes....Roman Catholics do worship Mary in word and deed.

42 posted on 12/10/2018 7:42:44 AM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: ealgeone
One who misrepresents Catholic doctrine in the fashion you have just done, in the preceding post, must do so comprehensively. This is unsurprising. Why? Because one must begin with premises which are false, and then filter everything he sees and hears through those premises.

Hence everything is distorted, but distorted in the same direction.

For instance, I posit that everything aboutMary is premised in her being a creature, a handmaid of the Lord, the first indeed to accept Jesus as her personal Savior ("my spirit rejoices in God my Savior") --- you posit that we Catholic regard her as a goddess to be adored on a par with God. It's simply not true.

This distortion makes sense to you because you claim to know better than Catholics, what Catholics actually believe.

To a person who holds such an astonishing presumption I could say, "But stop right there,that is not what I believe," and expect the rejoinder, "Hush, I know what you believe. You don't."

I say, go ahead with what you may call a dialog, but leave me out of it. Your kind of dialog runs smoother when you do it on your own.

49 posted on 12/10/2018 10:18:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: ealgeone
One who misrepresents Catholic doctrine in the fashion you have just done, in the preceding post, must do so comprehensively. This is unsurprising. Why? Because one must begin with premises which are false, and then filter everything he sees and hears through those premises.

Hence everything is distorted, but distorted in the same direction.

For instance, I posit that everything aboutMary is premised in her being a creature, a handmaid of the Lord, the first indeed to accept Jesus as her personal Savior ("my spirit rejoices in God my Savior") --- you posit that we Catholic regard her as a goddess to be adored on a par with God. It's simply not true.

This distortion makes sense to you because you claim to know better than Catholics, what Catholics actually believe.

To a person who holds such an astonishing presumption I could say, "But stop right there,that is not what I believe," and expect the rejoinder, "Hush, I know what you believe. You don't."

I say, go ahead with what you may call a dialog, but leave me out of it. Your kind of dialog runs smoother when you do it on your own.

50 posted on 12/10/2018 10:20:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: ealgeone
One who misrepresents Catholic doctrine in the fashion you have just done, in the preceding post, must do so comprehensively. This is unsurprising. Why? Because one must begin with premises which are false, and then filter everything he sees and hears through those premises.

Hence everything is distorted, but distorted in the same direction.

For instance, I posit that everything aboutMary is premised in her being a creature, a handmaid of the Lord, the first indeed to accept Jesus as her personal Savior ("my spirit rejoices in God my Savior") --- you posit that we Catholic regard her as a goddess to be adored on a par with God. It's simply not true.

This distortion makes sense to you because you claim to know better than Catholics, what Catholics actually believe.

To a person who holds such an astonishing presumption I could say, "But stop right there,that is not what I believe," and expect the rejoinder, "Hush, I know what you believe. You don't."

I say, go ahead with what you may call a dialog, but leave me out of it. Your kind of dialog runs smoother when you do it on your own.

51 posted on 12/10/2018 10:20:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: ealgeone

I have no idea why my reply went out in triplicate. That’s OK. It takes no extra effort to ignore it three times.


52 posted on 12/10/2018 10:22:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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