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Jesuit Chief Rejects Charges of ‘Heresy’ for Views on Gospels
Crux ^ | 10/4/17 | Staff

Posted on 04/10/2017 6:36:38 PM PDT by marshmallow

Father Arturo Sosa Abascal, the Superior General of the worldwide Jesuit order, spoke to an Italian news program on Sunday to reject charges that he was 'relativizing' the Gospels or committing doctrinal heresy when he suggested in February that the words of Jesus on marriage in the New Testament have to be 'contextualized.'

Rejecting charges of “relativizing” the words of Jesus, and even doctrinal heresy, the superior general of the worldwide Jesuit order on Sunday stood by his insistence that no one was tape-recording Christ, and therefore statements attributed to him in the New Testament, including on marriage, have to be “interpreted.”

“I don’t know why so many people got mad at me for what I said, which is that in the time of Jesus there were no tape-recorders, because it’s the truth,” said Father Arturo Sosa Abascal of Venezuela, who took over last October as the 31st Superior General of the Jesuits.

The reference is to a controversy that broke out in February, when Sosa gave an extended interview to veteran Swiss Vatican journalist Giuseppe Rusconi. In the course of the conversation, Rusconi asked Sosa about remarks by German Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the Vatican’s top doctrinal official, about the words of Jesus on marriage, “let no one separate what God has joined,” adding that “no power in heaven or on earth, neither an angel nor a pope, neither a council nor a law of the bishops, has the ability to modify it.”

Müller’s citation of the line was widely taken as expressing doubt about the cautious opening to Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried associated with Pope Francis’s document on the family, Amoris Laetitia.

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1 posted on 04/10/2017 6:36:38 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

What leads to an increase in the number of Christians in the world is God’s beneficence.

Love is not an abstract, everyone knows when they feel it.


2 posted on 04/10/2017 6:46:00 PM PDT by Huebolt (The FBI used to be the untouchables.ous.)
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To: marshmallow

The implication is that since no electronic equipment existed then, that the New Testament might have it all wrong. Jesus may have been in favor of homosexual “marriage”, who knows? He might have said that Sodomy was just fine, and the Bible misinterpreted his meaning. He might not even be Jewish, in fact. He was probably just making it all up anyway.


3 posted on 04/10/2017 6:52:05 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: marshmallow
"“...no power in heaven or on earth, neither an angel nor a pope, neither a council nor a law of the bishops, has the ability to modify it.”

THAT kind of 'dogmatic' and fixed-in-stone-come-hell-or-high-water THINKING within the Catholic Church is what the Pope, and the Superior General of the worldwide Jesuit order are trying to fight against!

4 posted on 04/10/2017 6:57:50 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Telepathic Intruder
"...He was probably just making it all up anyway"

People that take this point of view are afraid to explore the full potential of the mystery of God. They feel more protected with 'black and white' teachings. God is more intense and more powerful than ascribing to Him 'black and white' words.

5 posted on 04/10/2017 7:01:05 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: marshmallow

How do this priest’s views differ from what the Vatican says about the entire context of the Bible? Everything has to be “interpreted” by the Catholic Church. Scripture by itself means nothing without their “interpretation”.


6 posted on 04/10/2017 7:06:31 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: LibFreeUSA

In any case, modern Jesuits have a tendency to take verses of scripture out of context and reinterpret them based on ones of their own choosing. There is a context to the Bible, however. It’s very important in fact. It’s required in order to understand the deeper meanings behind prophesy.


7 posted on 04/10/2017 7:54:21 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: marshmallow
Yes, they didn't have a tape recorder, they had something (actually, some One) infinitely superior: the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Holy Trinity, who inspired the human authors so that the books of Sacred Scripture "have God as their author and have been handed on as such to the Church herself".

"Since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation." (Dei Verbum 11)

8 posted on 04/10/2017 8:04:27 PM PDT by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: marshmallow
I always put Jesus' words in their proper context.

This context:


9 posted on 04/10/2017 8:23:12 PM PDT by John Locke
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Quite simply, he is a stupid selfish man. Did he expect no backlash?


10 posted on 04/10/2017 8:40:14 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: LibFreeUSA

I agree. Finally, after 2000 years, we have a pope who gets it right.

/sarcasm


11 posted on 04/10/2017 8:59:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: LibFreeUSA
People that take this point of view are afraid to explore the full potential of the mystery of God. They feel more protected with 'black and white' teachings. God is more intense and more powerful than ascribing to Him 'black and white' words.

How far do you think this goes? Do you think God approves of adultery? How about homosexual acts? Do they fall into your grey areas? How many shades of grey are there? 50?

12 posted on 04/10/2017 9:02:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: marshmallow

High time for the Jesuit order to be dissolved, again...


13 posted on 04/10/2017 10:51:06 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Jeff Chandler
Do you think God approves of adultery?.....

This is where "nuance" becomes a useful tool to substitute the reasoning of men for the wisdom of God.

14 posted on 04/11/2017 3:27:06 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Jeff Chandler

That is the usual retort from the ‘closed minded’, you people always project the extreme to validate your intransigent positions. It demonstrates how you ‘pigeonhole’ the greatness of God.


15 posted on 04/11/2017 4:43:13 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Unam Sanctam

“High time for the Jesuit order to be dissolved, again...”

You project the ‘Taliban wing’ of the Catholic Church.


16 posted on 04/11/2017 4:44:22 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

I feel so put in my place now... You must have learned your skill at tossing insults from the Pope.


17 posted on 04/11/2017 6:56:08 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: LibFreeUSA
you people always project the extreme to validate your intransigent positions

Reductio ad absurdum.

18 posted on 04/11/2017 7:23:33 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: tbpiper
Do you think God approves of adultery?.....

This is where "nuance" becomes a useful tool to substitute the reasoning of men for the wisdom of God.

I'll take that as a "yes".

19 posted on 04/11/2017 7:25:20 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: LibFreeUSA
That is the usual retort from the ‘closed minded’

And yours is the rationalization of the Lothario in his quest to conquer a Catholic Girl.

20 posted on 04/11/2017 7:38:03 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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