Posted on 05/20/2016 5:01:10 PM PDT by Salvation
Catholic Doctrine Ping!
Absolutely. Grace and truth never changes but church doctrines tend to change quite a bit.
Did you read the article?
You might want to focus on the last line.
**None of these issues deals with doctrine as such (since doctrine is unchangeable) but with Church discipline, government, and penance.**
Catholic Doctrine does NOT change.
Is the Assumption of Mary doctrine?
Well, they no longer sell indulgences (I think) and quit burning heretics alive (thank goodness) so those are positive changes. Churches change but it is God that does not change.
Doctrine: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.
One can only share a belief, not teach it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYajHZ4QUVM&index=19&list=RD_cdfKXmS82Y
No, it is a dogma.
Do they still burn witches?
Never mind, that was English Protestants...
Ahem. Selling of indulgences -— or of any other spiritual good -— is neither a doctrine nor a dogma. It is a sin. It was a sin in the First Century when Simon Magus tried to buy spiritual powers from St. Peter (and Simon Magus’ name was adopted to name the sin, “simony”); it was a sin in the 16th century when popes and their agents were doing it; and it would be a sin today.
Popes sin. (News flash!). And the sins of highly placed churchmen are still that -— sins — not doctrines.
Same for burning heretics. There is no doctrine of the Church that says people must or may be executed for theological error.
Oh yes, the leading men of the Catholic Church have been sinners from the beginning. On Good Friday, one Apostle sold Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver, one denied Him three times, and the rest (except John) scattered and hid like the cowards they were. Behold, our first hierarchy!
But repentance and grace prevail, through the gracious saving power of Christ, Who did not and does not abandon us to our human errors.
Christ rescues His Church -— every time.
Praise Him!
Read what you wrote again... very carefully...
Amen!
“One can only share a belief, not teach it.”
Exactly what I meant. Believing is an individual trait. Like Gravity, it exists, yet can not be quantified. Quanta is an individual element that belief has yet to identify.
I am deeply offended by “the Church”. I am a protestant . Stop that.
Some people would be better off to not open their mouth.
It was a practice carried out by a large powerful church.
And the sins of highly placed churchmen are still that -— sins — not doctrines.
More wordplay. It became an established practice. Same difference as doctrine . . at least to the ones being burned.
Who did not and does not abandon us to our human errors.
And how do we know that for sure? Don't tell me. You think you are the One True Church that Jesus made a promise to. How about if you're not? And the One True Church is really an invisible collection of souls that God keeps under His watch that he keeps track of instead of a man made denomination. Matt. 7:22, 23
No!! Not the “How old is your Church” question. Would it not be more grammatically correct to ask “How long has your denomination been in existence”? But even that seems inconsequential in the long haul. Adam worshiped God in the Garden of Eden. Abraham worshiped Him long ago. Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt and the worshiped Him. The Apostles and Jesus were all Jews, so they got some time in before Catholicism as well. God didn’t leave us a denomination, He left us His Word and His Promise. Let’s read, meditate and practice that.
Wordplay? Do you say there is no difference between divine Truth and sinful practice?
To return again to a very early example: do you think betraying and abandoning Jesus was a doctrine of the NT Church?
No, but it made them better disciples and strengthened them for later trials (except for Judas). They repented and regretted their actions. There is a difference between a moment of weakness (with possible danger to themselves) and persistent actions over many many years of an institution which inflicted cruel tortures and death to who knows how many souls that believed different from them. Maybe you don't see the difference but I am sure God does.
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