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Reforming Islam?
self | April 10, 2016 | Capt. Tom

Posted on 04/10/2016 3:20:22 PM PDT by Capt. Tom

When Muslims are involved in recommending a reformation they come across to me as heretics and apostates that can't abide by the religion they were born into.

Instead of leaving Islam they want to change it to make it more palatable to modern thinking and take out the murderous parts of Islam, and to tone it down to where, as Rodney King would say , where we could all get along regardless of our religious beliefs or non-beliefs.

Having read a lot about the fundamentals of Islam I am of the conclusion it can't be reformed to make it less fatal to us non- Muslims.

Here is why. Simply because Muhammad set the examples of how to practice the religion as told to him by God's messenger, the angel Gabriel. Muhammad is too well documented to be easily discredited as to how he practiced Islam.

People try to change Islam by questioning the writings in the Koran. They say it don't tell the whole story, or it wasn't written in just Arabic it was partially written in Syriac, Aramaic or combinations of different languages and has to be reinterpreted.

Muhammad is a very well documented individual, and to me the problem with that for reformists, is Muhammad was illiterate and couldn't read anything. So he got his marching orders on how to implement Islam, not from the Koran directly, but from Allah via the angel Gabriel.

Basically Jihadists don't need the Koran. If you are a believer, just follow the example set by God's prophet Muhammad in the Hadiths. We also have 1400 years of Kafir slaughters by Muhammad and the Muslims who followed him, to emphasize that Allah wants us Kafirs killed, if we don't convert to Islam or pay protection money and feel subdued. And that hasn't been changed since Muhammad's time.

Islam has been reformed in the past, and it has been by people like Wahabb, in the 1700s, and more recently by ISIS to get the Muslim slackers back into following the examples of Muhammad and force the religion and Sharia Law on us Infidels, and kill Muslim heretics and apostates.

Trying to reform Islam to getting away from the basics , to me, is a waste of time.


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You may have a different opinion about reforming Islam, but that is mine. -Tom
1 posted on 04/10/2016 3:20:23 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom

How can anyone “reform” a religion? That is not possible.

A (false) religion is started by a person. That person lays out what the beliefs are, and people follow. You can’t change that.

Unless you can resurrect the (false) prophet Mohammed, have him come back and change his mind and establish new tenets of the religion, it is what it currently is. You can’t rewrite what he wrote.

The only thing a peace seeking muslim can do is have a look at islam, realize it’s a violent front for world domination, and renounce it. I would suggest they have a look at Christianity, the true religion of peace.


2 posted on 04/10/2016 3:26:04 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Capt. Tom

The violent, murderous world-expansionist movement can’t be reformed. It has to be eliminated.


3 posted on 04/10/2016 3:27:48 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Capt. Tom; null and void
n = 1.3 billion. Right, Mr. Void?
4 posted on 04/10/2016 3:29:41 PM PDT by disndat
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To: I want the USA back

They will not stand for reform and those who try will be executed, nuff sed of reform. Besides it is a military tactic and not a religion


5 posted on 04/10/2016 3:31:04 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Capt. Tom

“Basically Jihadists don’t need the Koran. If you are a believer, ......just follow the example set by God’s prophet Muhammad in the Hadiths.

We also have 1400 years of Kafir slaughters by Muhammad and the Muslims who followed him, to emphasize that Allah wants us Kafirs killed,.........

if we don’t convert to Islam or pay protection money and feel subdued. And that hasn’t been changed since Muhammad’s time.”

If we made radioactive that ROCK THEY WORSHIP it would help !

The LORD walked around with a dozen guys preaching love and forgiveness

Mo HAM MED got a few hundred sword wielding killers,set forth to the North to a Jewish village and wiped it out..SAME for the next many centuries !!

SALAMI ALA BACON to all of his followers !


6 posted on 04/10/2016 3:31:12 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long)
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To: Capt. Tom

Nuclear reformation is the only hope for islime.


7 posted on 04/10/2016 3:41:29 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: I want the USA back

Exactly. It must be eliminated in our country and in Europe first. This goes way back to Ishmael.


8 posted on 04/10/2016 3:43:51 PM PDT by Lumper20 (Lyin Ted lies more then Hillary)
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To: Capt. Tom

It's In The Koran
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Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."
(9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"
(61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."
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9 posted on 04/10/2016 3:47:11 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Capt. Tom

The only reformed Islam acceptable is one left behind and renounced. Pray for their salvation...one at a time. Pray for more visions of Jesus...a man from Kazikstan attends our church and is seeking, asking questions...no, I am very careful and see he is not a bomber...he will be saved. He talks like Andy Kaufman (Yadka from Taxi). Reformed Islam does not exist. Saved, former Muslims are the answer and praying for our protection and it is valid to pray like David...for God to smite them who will not change...Muslims included.


10 posted on 04/10/2016 3:58:49 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Trump is the ticket or the republic ends.)
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To: disndat
If that's where they set n, yes.
11 posted on 04/10/2016 3:59:37 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: litehaus

We will find
sooner or later
if Achmed’ll pray
to a glowing crater


12 posted on 04/10/2016 4:01:04 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: IronJack

Nuclear reformation islam is the only hope for us.


13 posted on 04/10/2016 4:01:50 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: Capt. Tom
Simply because Muhammad set the examples of how to practice the religion as told to him by God's messenger, the angel Gabriel. Muhammad is too well documented to be easily discredited as to how he practiced Islam.

The Mohammad Factor

If you condemn murder you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn thievery you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn rape you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn pedophilia you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn terrorism you condemn Mohammad.

If you condemn Mohammad you condemn Islam.

14 posted on 04/10/2016 4:13:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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I think the US should emphasize the right to choose one’s religion, or no religion at all. Islam does not allow this.

This could be seen as a reforming of Islam, or as undermining Islam through a valid principle. Either way, we should push for this basic right at every opportunity. In the US, this can be a matter of law, vigorously enforced in Muslim communities if need be.


15 posted on 04/10/2016 4:14:57 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took Congress in 2006)
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To: JudyinCanada

You cannot reform a scam created by a degenerate intended to give license to him to indulge his perversions.


16 posted on 04/10/2016 4:36:01 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Capt. Tom

Elimination is the only kind of reform I’d feel comfortable about.


17 posted on 04/10/2016 4:57:24 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Capt. Tom

The question of reforming Islam seems to be inherently missing the boat: Islamic Law, inseparable from Islam, is not irrational.

People in the West may disagree with various punishments or assessing something to be a crime, but that does not mean that Islam actually encourages irrationality ... indeed, when one looks at the actual facts about what led up to the first Fort Hood incident, rather than the PC whitewash, what you find is expressly a rational approach to the demands of Islamic Law on the part of the perpetrator. He even served notice before hand, after a fashion.

By contrast we find that it is the politically correct nitwits who just will not allow that actions of Muslims are about Islam and Islamic Law, even though they expressly are, who are acting irrationally.

As for Islam, that “bad Islam” people want to say needs reforming, that it is is not merely rational, but arguably Islam, that leads to the conclusion that the call for a reformation is a call for what many Muslims would rightly consider to be apostasy.

So am I saying that all militants are rational?

No.

Just that what is called militant Islam is not, at least for those calling the dance at the pinnacle of that movement, the domain of madmen.

Certainly not the way that political correctness has become the domain of madmen.

It is actually the latter that should be especially worrisome to us, for they represent the very thing that progressively disarms us against anyone who would take their Islamic Law very seriously, even soberly.

Their unwillingness to simply let Islamic Law be shown for what it is, and thus admit that Islamic Law is all too often a very clear motive behind militant actions, may be rooted in a desire to seem tolerant (by their standards) ... but it must not be forgotten that militant Muslims see themselves as trying to be good as their doctrine defines it.

That’s what I mean by disarming us.

If we are not permitted to know our enemy, because that would be intolerant, while they are free to understand us ... that’s not a position that any rational person wants to be in.

Sun Tzu would simply NOT approve of the political correctness crowd.

So what are we faced with?

So far I have avoided simply stating that Islam is an outpouring of the spirit of antichrist, so I will be blunt: the problem with Islam is not that it is centuries old (according to the prejudices of post modern men) but its ultimate author.

So I’ll here say that we are faced with those trying to be good, only according to a doctrine of the spirit of antichrist ...

... and those trying to be nice and inoffensive.

Truly, we are between a rock and a dumb place.


18 posted on 04/10/2016 4:57:34 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ChessExpert
I think the US should emphasize the right to choose one’s religion, or no religion at all. Islam does not allow this.

The reason Islam doesn't allow that, is Allah forbids that type of thinking and Muhammad sets te example of how t deal with Kafir who think that way.

Doing what Allah wants done trumps everything , country, family, tribe etc.

Americans should be educated about Islamic beliefs and Taqiyya so we have a better idea on how to deal with it.
A good start would to keep Muslims from immigrating to this country since Muslims should not be respecting our man made laws and should want to impose Sharia and their religion on us to please Allah. -Tom

19 posted on 04/10/2016 5:17:47 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: TigersEye

Education is key.

I know an American Muslim, and I believe I know more about Islam than he does.

Defending islam is knee jerk and personal.

Mohamed was flat out evil.

We have movies of Jesus. We need movies of Mohamed. He is a historic figure. The Islamic world needs a clear eyed view of what their religion is. Let the sun shine on Mohamed. Let them see him rape a nine year old girl on the big screen. Let them defend that, and stop playing the victim.


20 posted on 04/10/2016 6:10:35 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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