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St Patrick was a Baptist!!
GARBC ^ | 3/17/16 | GARBC

Posted on 03/17/2016 2:42:08 AM PDT by RaceBannon

SAINT PATRICK THE ‘BAPTIST’?

Saint Patrick The man we know today as St. Patrick was kidnapped twice: first by Irish pirates, then after his death, by the Roman Catholic Church. The first was the impetus for Patrick’s entrance into ministry. The second exaggerates Patrick’s relationship to the church in Rome and its influence in the missionary efforts of the fifth and sixth centuries. Patrick’s own writings and the historical record show that Patrick often sounded more like an evangelical (or even a Baptist?) than a Roman Catholic.

No Mention of Rome

Patrick claimed to have served as a deacon, presbyter, and bishop. In his “Letter to Coroticus,” he wrote, “I, Patrick, a sinner, unlearned, resident in Ireland, declare myself to be a bishop. . . . Most assuredly I believe that what I am I have received from God” (in R. P. C. Hanson, The Life and Writings of the Historical Saint Patrick). While this may simply be a way of giving God all the glory, Patrick was silent regarding any formal education, ordination, appointment, or support by Rome or any other church, suggesting instead that his ordination came directly from God.

At the end of his life, when writing his autobiography, Patrick asserted that his training and education were not of the same quality as his critics’, because “I have not studied like others” and “am evidently unlearned” (Patrick, Confession of St. Patrick). In spite of apparent modesty and limited formal education, Patrick knew doctrine and Scripture. He quoted or alluded to Scripture 195 times in 84 short paragraphs that make up both his Confession and his “Letter to Coroticus,” showing a high regard for Scripture and doctrine.

Historian R. P. C. Hanson says the British clergy of Patrick’s day were not bound by the constraints of Roman Catholic hermeneutics, for “British clergy apparently did not concern themselves greatly with allegorization or far-reaching speculation, but appear to have concentrated in an admirable way on what we today would call the heart to the Gospel” (Hanson, The Life and Writings). Patrick exhibited this orthodox bent in his writings, quoting extensively from the Bible and particularly from the book of Romans (17 times). Patrick had a clear and practical grasp of justification by faith (The Life and Writings).

There is no mention of any appeal to Rome or of any history with Rome in Patrick’s writings. Instead, Patrick affirmed that it was Christ Who propelled him into his ministry: “Christ the Lord, who commanded me to come to be with them” and “He [God] chose me for this service” (Confession). In his “Letter to Coroticus,” Patrick asks, “Did I come to Ireland without God, or according to the flesh? Who compelled me? I am bound by the Spirit.” Here, in a protest against a British chieftain who raided Ireland and sold several of Patrick’s converts into slavery, the missionary makes no claim of a commission from Rome, which would have given him the weight of temporal authority. Instead, he relies entirely upon the authority of Scripture to make his appeal. It would appear that Patrick’s ministry was independent of Roman Catholic instruction and control. As such, Patrick’s missionary work was the first well-known independent missionary enterprise since the apostles. It was grounded in a clear understanding of the authority of Scripture and orthodox theology, which was drawn from personal study and application of God’s Word.

Not only did Patrick not mention Rome, but the Roman Catholic historian Bede didn’t mention Patrick, an odd arrangement indeed, if in fact Patrick had originally been sent by the Catholic Church. As Philip Schaff notes, there is no authentic record of Rome’s interaction with Ireland until nearly two centuries after Patrick’s ministry. Schaff explains, “It is strange that St. Patrick is not mentioned by Bede in his Church History, although he often refers to Hibernia and its church, and is barely named as a presbyter in his Martyrology. He is also ignored by Columba and by the Roman Catholic writers, until his mediaeval biographers from the eighth to the twelfth century Romanized him, appealing not to his genuine Confession, but to spurious documents and vague traditions” (History of the Church).

Focus on Faith

During his escape from his Irish captors, Patrick witnessed to his deliverers, assuring them that God would provide for and protect them. He said to them confidently, “Be converted by faith with all your heart to my Lord God, because nothing is impossible for him, so that today he will send food for you on your road, until you be sated, because everywhere he abounds” (Confession).

Patrick returned to Ireland at age 40 to devote his life to labor there, because “it behoved us to spread our nets, that a vast multitude and throng might be caught for God, and so there might be clergy everywhere who baptized and exhorted a needy and desirous people” (Confession). Though he had opportunity and encouragement to return to Britain, he said, “I am bound by the Spirit, who witnessed to me that if I did so he would mark me out as guilty, and I fear to waste the labour that I began, and not I, but Christ the Lord, who commanded me to come to be with them for the rest of my life, if the Lord shall will it and shield me from every evil, so that I may not sin before him” (Confession).

Patrick established a pattern and platform from which Irish missions continued for the next two centuries and beyond. Rather than trying to reproduce the Roman Catholic Church model, he tried to train and equip new converts in the faith of the Scriptures and Christ Jesus. This is evident in the nature of his ministry.

Philip Freeman points out that the worship services were plain, unadorned, most likely outdoors or in a small home or even a barn (St. Patrick of Ireland: A Biography). As the churches grew, they would have built simple structures out of local materials. Patrick would not have worn the traditional bleached white robes, which normally would have symbolized purity and cleansing from sin. Freeman surmises that Patrick would have added color or adornment to his robe to disassociate himself from the Druids, who also wore white in their worship.

Orthodox Beliefs

From Patrick’s writings we learn that his teachings and practice were consistent with orthodox theology.

First, Patrick saw Scripture as the supreme religious authority. He never appealed to the authority of the church, even when it would have served him well. He never mentioned a church council or creed, although his doctrinal statement closely parallels the “Rule of Faith,” a creed common in his day (Confession).

Second, Patrick made no reference to baptizing infants. He once reported that he “baptized in the Lord, so many thousand men” (“Letter to Coroticus” in The Life and Writings). The word “men” implies that he did not baptize infants.

Third, absent from his writing is any mention of purgatory, Mariolatry, or submission to the authority of the Pope, which, although an argument from silence, suggests that Patrick did not believe in them, did not hold them as significant to true faith, or was ignorant of them.

Fourth, the legacy of Patrick’s ministry is evident in the churches he established, which continued to be sound in doctrine well into the ninth century. They were amazingly evangelical (compared to the Roman Church of the day), teaching original sin and the impossibility of salvation by human merits or effort, Christ alone being the sinner’s righteousness. Additionally they taught the vicarious atonement.

Fifth, in his Confession, Patrick recognized the agency of the Holy Spirit in conversion. No doubt it became a tenet of the church’s doctrine. Sixth, the teaching of justification by faith is a key aspect of Patrick’s contribution (The Life and Writings). Seventh, Patrick believed in the intercession of the Holy Spirit and of Christ (quoting Romans 8:26 and 1 John 2:1). But he never mentioned the intercession of saints, angels, or Mary.

While it is clearly hyperbole to suggest that Patrick was a Baptist, his contribution and heritage nonetheless are more keenly connected to our own Baptist heritage and theology than to Roman Catholicism. “Patrick was a simple believer in Christ before there was any such religious system as we have today in the Roman Catholic church,” concluded Kenneth Ohrstrom in a March 1958 Baptist Bulletin article.

Patrick should be rescued from his ecclesiastical kidnappers. That is, we have as much claim upon him as does Roman Catholicism. Patrick’s faith and practice were more consistent with our theology than with Roman Catholicism.

Stephen R. Button is pastor of Carpinteria Valley Baptist Church, Carpinteria, Calif. He is studying in the DMin program of Corban University School of Ministry, Spokane, Wash.


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1 posted on 03/17/2016 2:42:08 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon

http://www.baptistpillar.com/article_054.html

Was Saint Patrick a Baptist?
W. A. Jarrell

The year of St. Patrick ‘s birth is variously assigned to the years 377 and 387, the latter being the more probable date. His original name is said to have been Succat Patricus, being the Roman appellative by which he was known. The exact place of his birth is uncertain. It was somewhere in Britain.

In the sixteenth year of his age, while on his father’s farm, with a number of others, he was seized and carried by a band of pirates into Ireland, and there sold to a petty chief. In his service he remained six years.

At the expiration of this time he succeeded in escaping. He was “brought up in a Christian family in Britain, and the truth which saved him when a youthful slave in pagan Ireland was taught him in the godly home of Deacon Calpurnius, his father, and in the church of which he was a member and officer.” On his escape from Ireland he was twenty-one years of age.

Being a stronger Christian the Lord soon called him back to Ireland as the missionary for that blinded country. About this time, or before it, a missionary named Coleman, established a church in Ireland. Some think that “in the south of Ireland, from some very remote period,” “Christian congregations had existed.”

Usher puts Patrick’s death at A.D. 493 - making his life a long and useful life, and his age, at the time of his death, over one hundred years.

The Bellandists make his death earlier - A.D. 460. According to accounts of his Irish biographers, he, with his own hands, baptized 12,000 persons and founded 365 churches.

Within the last few years scholars have succeeded in stripping his history of much of the Romish fables.

The more this has been done, the more he stands out as a Baptist:

1. At the time of St. Patrick the Romish church was only an embryo.

2. In St. Patrick’s time the authority of the bishop of Rome was not generally recognized.

3. There is no history to sustain the Romish claim that Patrick was sent to Ireland by “Pope Celistine”. Throughout his life Patrick acted wholly independent of Rome.

Patrick was a Baptist:

(1) He baptized only professed believers.

(2) He baptized by only immersion. Dr. Catchcart says: “There is absolutely no evidence that any baptism but that of immersion of adult believers existed among the ancient Britons, in the first half of the fifth century, nor for a long time afterwards.” In St. Patrick’s “letter to Crocius” he describes some of the persons whom he immersed as “baptizedc captives,” “baptized handmaidens of Christ,” “baptized women distributed as rewards” and then as “baptized believers.”

(3) In church government St. Patrick was a baptist. Though this appears in the note to this page, I will add proof to it. “Patrick founded 365 church-es and consecrated the same number of bishops, and ordained 3000 presbyters.” “If we take the testimony of Nennius, St. Patrick placed a bishop in every church which he founded; and several presbyters after the example of the New Testament churches. Nor was the great number of bishops peculiar to St. Patrick’s time; in the twelfth century St. Bernard tells us that in Ireland bishops are multiplied and changed...

(4) In independence of creeds, councils, popes and bishops Patrick was a Baptist. “Patrick recognized no authority in creeds, however venerable, nor in councils, though composed of several hundred of the highest ecclesiastics, and many of the most saintly men alive. He never quotes any canons and he never took part in making any, notwithstanding the pretended canons of forgers.”

(5) In doctrine Patrick was a Baptist. He says Christ who “gave his life for thee is He who speaks to thee.”

(6) In the later or Romish meaning of the term, there is no indication of Monastacism in Patrick ‘s writing or in the history of the first Irish church. “Monastacism, in the proper sense of the word, cannot be traced beyond the fourth century”.

Cathcart: “It is difficult to fix the date when the first monastery was established in Ireland. It is certain that Patrick was long in his grave before it took place.”

Thus, first, Irish Monasteries were originated after Patrick’s death. Thus, in only believer ‘s baptism; in only immersion; in church government; in salvation by only the blood; in justification by faith only; in rejecting penance; in knowing nothing of transubstantiation; in giving both the bread and the wine to the laity.

In being independent of Rome, St. Patrick was a Baptist and the first Irish churches knew nothing of priestly confession and priestly forgiveness; of extreme unction; of worship of images; of worship of Mary; of the intercession of Mary or of any departed saint; of purgatory; of persecution of opposers of the church - nothing of any of the Romish distinguishing peculiarities.

Were Patrick not turned to dust, and were the body able to hear and turn, he would turn over in his coffin at the disgrace on his memory from the Romish church claiming him as a Roman Catholic.

http://www.baptistpillar.com/article_054.html


2 posted on 03/17/2016 2:42:47 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: RaceBannon

history of the Irish primitive Church
https://books.google.com/books?id=7l6r6MLbehwC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=Bishop+Ussher+St+Patrick&source=bl&ots=FWqGJuH1Tk&sig=upCdtxxzUikhhQzP5nxQOaAy22w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=naIIVYXPDMSUyATHs4KYCw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Bishop%20Ussher%20St%20Patrick&f=false


3 posted on 03/17/2016 2:44:05 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: RaceBannon

Uh...no he wasn’t. This is trotted out every year.


4 posted on 03/17/2016 2:51:23 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: RaceBannon; MayflowerMadam

See this? GARBC !


5 posted on 03/17/2016 2:51:29 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (They hated Reagan too ! TRUMP TOUGH - AMERICA STRONG)
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To: RaceBannon

Interesting, thanks!


6 posted on 03/17/2016 2:57:56 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Telling people the truth about Jesus is all that really matters now...)
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To: RaceBannon

The RC Church baptizes thousands of people a day. Doesn’t make them (or Patrick), ‘Baptists’.


7 posted on 03/17/2016 3:24:18 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RaceBannon

Could you make the font any smaller?


8 posted on 03/17/2016 3:54:56 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: RaceBannon

This is kind of silly. St. Patrick was an Orthodox christian, as anyone who was a christian at that time (and who wasn’t a heretic) had to be. Pretending that he was something that didn’t exist until 1,200 years after his death is ludicrous.


9 posted on 03/17/2016 4:07:25 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: RaceBannon

Saint Patrick was born in 387 AD.

The Protestant religion wasn’t invented yet.


10 posted on 03/17/2016 4:21:14 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: RaceBannon; Salvation; NYer

I have heard rumors that John the Baptist was also a baptist, since he also baptised people.


11 posted on 03/17/2016 4:23:29 AM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutley.)
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There were no "Baptists" until the early 17th century.

The "anabaptists" on the continent were around 80 years or so earlier, but they were spiritually the ancestors of the Mennonites and Amish, not of the denominations called "Baptist" in the modern day USA.

This whole article is basically arguing (a) St. Patrick was a Christian; (b) everyone knows those awful Catholics aren't Christians; therefore (c) St. Patrick was a Baptist.

The problem is that (b) is false, and (c) doesn't necessarily follow even if (a) and (b) are true.

12 posted on 03/17/2016 4:55:00 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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1. At the time of St. Patrick the Romish church was only an embryo.

Wait, I thought the "Romish" [sic] church was founded by Constantine the Great, after deceiving a bunch of folks who had kept the faith through the persecutions of Domitian at the Council of Nicaea (AD 325), and immediately imposed by penalty of death on almost everyone.

At least that's what some of the Protestant, excuse me "Bible Christian," posters on here tell us.

How then can it have been "an embryo" 350 years later? That's one long gestation period!

13 posted on 03/17/2016 5:00:12 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: RaceBannon
"He baptized only believers"

Got any evidence that he never baptized any infants? Of course not. Obviously he "baptized believers"; he was evangelizing a pagan country, so most of his converts were adults.

"He baptized only by immersion."

Immersion is valid in every rite of the Catholic Church, and is the normative mode of baptism at least in the Byzantine Rite, as well as in the Orthodox churches, so that proves nothing except the author's ignorance.

15 posted on 03/17/2016 5:06:06 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: RaceBannon

I have seen videos of orthodox churches in the Middle East baptizing by immersion - even the infants.


16 posted on 03/17/2016 5:17:19 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: RaceBannon

There is no history quite like revisionist history, eh?


17 posted on 03/17/2016 5:18:05 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Campion

I was going to say, “You just can’t make this stuff up.” but apparently if you are anti-Catholic you can.


18 posted on 03/17/2016 5:23:50 AM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutley.)
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To: RaceBannon
The innate Christian spiritual need to establish apostolic tradition, especially when there is none, often manifests in the most amusing ways.

Do Baptists fast?

I'm surprised the article doesn't mention St. Patrick's 40 day fast on the summit of Croagh Patrick.

19 posted on 03/17/2016 5:35:57 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: verga

He lost me with “the Romish church” and “worship of Mary”.

BTW, try saying “Romish” without snarling.


20 posted on 03/17/2016 5:39:32 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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