Posted on 07/26/2015 8:55:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN
Science fiction covering a lack of understanding.
“Gnostic” LOL.
More quibbling and wrangling. Thanks, but no thanks.
Well, I’m fully human, but I haven’t the Human 2.0 update yet. But I’m ready, rapture ready!
Yeah, Amen, Bro! Even so, Lord Jesus; I beg You — Come!
Will the Rapture snatch away babies and children, also? A couple of people have quoted the passage where Jesus says 'woe to those who give suck', in other words, those mothers with babies at their breasts.
I'd be interested to read your opinion on this.
Boy! That's a real good question! I sure don't have an off-the-cuff answer to that, but I'll ponder on it and see if any real spiritual answer surfaces. But include in that the thought, "What about a woman true believer who has a new life yet growing in her body? Hmmm.
Let us know if you find any clues, eh?
The other poster said "flesh and bone". Will flesh and bone be in the Kingdom of God?
Quibbling is all you do.
Whoa, you posted another poster’s rude comment as mine! It was not my comment, comment to him.
In our current body we are in constant regeneration via the blood stream and the intake of nutrients and cleaning out dad cells and waste chemistry. This what makes our current flesh corruptible. When we die our bodies decay back to the elementals. An incorruptible body will not be sustained in the same way as we are now.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
As 4D beings we can see things that have 4D essence. Jesus is greater than a 4D being now. He can be in 4D or out of 4D essence at will. When He appears for the Rapture the passage above seems to indicate that we will be transformed into beings able to see Him in His greater than 4D state. In that greater state it is likely we shall draw our energy from the zero point field rather than the storage of said energy via animal flesh and vegetable flesh. {Yes, the vegetable we eat is expressed as 'its' flesh.} But we will be able to be in 4D spacetime just as Jesus can now, because we shall be like Him when We see Him coming for us to return to the Father's House.
When Jesus went up with Peter, James, and John, He was transfigured for a moment so He could speak with Elijah and Moses, and then took on the flesh again, when the conversation was over. So the form He took when He returned from the tomb was probably temporary also, although He could go through walls, unlike flesh.
False; my view is scriptural and upholds all the words of the Messiah; works, works, works, which spring from hearing and obeying Messiah.
We can't agree, so let's just leave it at that.
If you say so; Messiah will judge in righteousness and equity.
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The evil one has raised up so many flashy avenues for pleasing the old man, designed to distract us from the leadership of The indwelling Holy Spirit of Promise God puts in the human spirit at the moment we are born from above. [For graphic illustration of the Grace process of instant Conversion, see Acts 2 and Acts 10:38-45]
And those distractions come at us from all directs, including the religious systems. And it is successful in first eroding then corroding, then rotting, as so clearly illustrated with the Episcopal church.
But one can try to work their way to eventual Salvation ... God allows one to choose, but warns us to choose wisely, not depending upon our pride-filled works to earn what God offers as His Grace not our earnings.
As exhibits of how it works, see the Day of Pentecost preaching (Acts 2) and the Holy Spirit entering those who believed the message that Jesus is Messiah, He came in the flesh and died for our sins; on the third day God raised Him up to establish the absolute validity of a new covenant with mankind, in which the believer in Jesus has his/her sins wiped from the record and God's Spirit comes to indwell the believer for the rest of their life on earth. There is a similar exhibition of the process in the House of Cornelius (Acts 10:38-45).
I'm sure the magicsteeringthem has a twist on those scenes which supports their works based religion system, but the scenes are really quite straightforward that believing in the heart is the response God honors with immediate spiritual cleansing and a new creation indwelt by His Holy Spirit.
One can try to work, strive, trudge their way to that status, but the Bible is clear that you can never achieve it while God offers Salvation on His terms in return for simply believing Jesus is The Deliverer and is the ONLY means for salvation and newness of spirit.
The Holy Spirit searches hearts during this Church Age (that's spiritual Church, not Baptist or Episcopalian or Presbyterian, or Methodist, or Roman Catholic or Pentecostal, etc. ). Where He finds a heart believing Jesus is the Savior and that heart calls out to Him for Salvation, The Holy Spirit immediately cleanses that one and leaves a spark of the Holy Spirit of Promise in the human spirit so cleansed by the blood of Jesus. That one is then in Christ, a new creation.
And yes, I read it in the BIble and THE BIBLE gets it right. Try it, you'll like it! Even Mikey likes it! Of course, one can keep striving in secret pride of self. God allows the choice. But His Word warns us not to reject so great a Salvation given by The Grace of God in Christ, for there is no other way given unto man whereby he may be saved. That Grace cannot be earned no matter how faithful one might be to a sacramental trail.
Whoa! Flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
This line should have been the one appearing at the top of my Post #791 replying to your Post #768, to which #791 was meant to respond. Instead, a line from the next post after yours, the #769 from editor-surveyor, mistakenly appeared there.
I apologize, beg your pardon, and ask you to overlook this error. Would you please read the text of #791 composed by myself as the answer to your #768? Thank you.
Oh, okay. No prob.
When the bible says "flesh and blood", I think it means no flesh, not even "flesh and bones".
As an anti-rapturist, I hope you don't mind my view on this but "woe to those who give suck" means when Christ returns he expects His people to be spiritual virgins, the virgins who kept oil in their lamps. If instead they are nursing along Satan's works after whoring with Satan, instead of waiting for the true Christ, indeed woe on those who were supposed to be spiritual virgins. They will pray for the mountains to fall on them.
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