Posted on 06/19/2015 12:34:31 PM PDT by ebb tide
Ping.
Fundamental transformation deja vu all over again.
The Church has survived worst popes than this. Assuming Christ doesn’t come again soon, we’ll survive this one. Just protect your families from the nonsense.
Sounds a lot like what happened with Vatican II.
So the Pope’s allies are the modern day Bolsheviks and people who do not support his revolution are the modern day Catholic equivalent to the Mensheviks
Argentinean Archbishop Victor Fernandez is the power behind the throne; the Vatican Valery Jarret. It seems that the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, who is also a liberation theology sympathizer, is not radical enough for Arch. Frenandez and Pope Francis is ready to throw Müller under the bus.
Marxist radicals have Francis' ear.
POPE FRANCIS “BOLD CULTURAL REVOLUTION”
The problem is that Francis only listen to those who share his political socialist agenda.
Francis is the first and only Pope that has been against the Magisterium of the Church on the constant condemnation of communism and opened the doors of the Vatican to the theologians who corrupted the Gospels with the doctrine of Marx. Most importantly, the Pope has backed his words with actions. During his visit to Brazil in 2013, the Pope held meetings with Liberation Theologians on preparing a new doctrine for the church.
By the fruits you will know the tree, by their advisers you will know the leaders.
Pope Francis is more radical and dangerous than Obama. As soon as he took power he rescued from the trash bin of History the Marxist liberation theology after was proscribed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Francis called the most radical of its leaders, Leonardo Boff, who was silenced by H.H. Pope John Paul II, as one of his adviser for his encyclical that tries to give moral support to the global warming hoax, but instead Francis destroys his credibility and demeans the respect for the Catholic Church.
Fr. Gustavo Gutierrez, father of the liberation theology embraced by Francis, explained: “What we mean here regarding liberation theology is the involvement of the revolutionary political process”. (10) Gutiérrez also explains the sense of this involvement: “Only by going beyond a society divided into classes. (…) Only eliminating private property of the wealth created by human work, will we be able to lay down the bases for a more just society. It is for this that the efforts to project a new society in Latin America are tending more and more towards socialism”.
“Socialist societies are very ethical, clean, physically and morally. If it weren’t for his materialist doctrine it could be argued that they carried out the ethical teaching of the social doctrine of the Church.” Leonardo Boff on his return from a trip to Moscow, cfr.ABC, 16-VII-87, p.45
“The national planning of the Society of Jesus in the United States should, following the example of China, become an international planning. Towards the convergence of problems in all areas of the world around a single theme: the construction in different times and forms of a world Communist society.” Strategic document of a group of Dutch Jesuits - in collaboration with other Jesuit revolutionaries—published for internal debate in the official journal of the society of Jesus in the United States, National Jesuit News, April 1972.
Another of Francis’ top advisers is German Prof. John Schellnhuber, a well-known Malthusian and climate radical, and the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, Jeffrey Sachs, who is a longtime promoter of environmental measures, especially contraception and abortion, for purposes of population control. He was invited to Rome to participate in the Holy See’s climate-change summit in late April. Pope Francis made a very demeaning comment criticizing as rabbits the Catholic mothers that are blessed with many children. The mother of St Catherine de Sienna gave birth to 25 children. St Ignatius was the youngest of 13 children. How many more future Saints would be denied to live by Pope Francis’ birth control policy emulating Mao’s.
Francis rescued Marxist liberation theology from the trash bin of history, now he wants to exhume Mao’s Cultural Revolution.
In Pope Francis’ call for a “bold cultural revolution” to confront climate change, he is using classic Marxist terms (Mao’s Cultural Revolution and Marxist liberation theology) to promote a political agenda aimed toward the advance of “collectivism, redistribution of wealth, and global government.”
Pope on 5/23/15: "I feel like saying something that may sound controversial……….or even heretical, I don’t know."
Doesn't know, doesn't care.
Pope Formosus was also popular in his day.
Doesn't know, doesn't care and goes forth and spews it anyway.
The Church is fine. It’s the leader that needs to be changed.
Hey IDIOT ADVISOR.....the Church is fine....it’s YOU and your boss that needs CHANGING!!! SOCIALISTS.
All from the church that never changes, eh?
There's a difference between men who were (I hate to say it) merely immoral, and this pope who has an agenda and is out to change the church.
The Catholic Church hasn’t changed. But haven’t you changed churches?
Why would that not thrill you?
I ask that not out of disrespect but sheer bewilderment.
I would think that any Protestant would be thrilled that he would want to fundamentally transform the Catholic Church.
Goodness knows, there's been more damage done during his Pontificate than at any time since Vatican II (another "fundamental transformation" moment that I seriously would think that Protestants would celebrate).
Again, no disrespect intended, but I thought that the vast majority of Protestants wanted to see the Church either fundamentally transformed (so that it would be another Protestant denomination) or utterly destroyed (so that anybody who was called would then have no choice to start attending a Protestant Church of their Choice...and those who were not called were destined for Hell anyway, so it doesn't matter about them)
Not in the direction it’s going.
I am not in the least interested or happy to see any organization as powerful or influential as the Catholic church go the way of globalist, socialist, one world government/religion crowd.
Why?
Those who are, according to Calvinist belief, predestined, will leave ("irresistible grace"). Those who don't were damned to begin with, right?
I would think that all this would do would make the irresistible grace even more irresistible.
I don’t want to see churches just become another church.
Church has it’s value and place, but changing from one form of religion to another, without leading people into right relationship with God is just an exercise in futility.
Having a form of godliness but denying the power of it, doesn’t get anyone anywhere.
Just for the record, I am not *Protestant*. I know many Catholics label anyone not Catholic as *Protestant* but by and large, those who are born again believers do not identify either as *Protestant* or any other religious denomination.
They (We) self-identify as followers of Jesus Christ.
Again, I ask not out of disrespect...I genuinely am confused why this would be a problem to any Protestant, particularly a reformed Protestant.
It has changed from Trent to Vatican 1 to Vatican 2.
Going out on a limb here, I’ve seen your posts and know that you don’t agree with with V2 and the changes that have come along with it.
There’s no way to claim the Church hasn’t changed when you and some others recognize it by your refusing to acknowledge it and technically, be in schism with it.
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