Coming soon to a any country with a National Socialist health-care system ...
Posted on 06/10/2015 3:09:33 PM PDT by Morgana
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Is your seeing eye dog well?
Coming soon to a any country with a National Socialist health-care system ...
I hope I'm upwind of the fallout zone when the brimstone flies again!
“It’s for the children”
I ever share with you how many Roman Catholic women came to me for oral contraceptives?
I don’t prescribe them but I know a Catholic doctor down the hall who did.
I do not think that all prenatal testing in and of itself is a bad thing, but obviously it all depends on how such test results are used. If they are used in order to give a reason to abort murder the child because he or she is not “perfect”, then that is without question wrong – morally, ethically and medically.
However if prenatal testing is used to diagnose a problem that in some cases can be treated in utero or prepare the OBY and the mom for what might be a high risk pregnancy or delivery as is sometimes the case with kids with Downs, prepare to have a neonatal team on standby in case of problems or birth defects and complications or even prepare the parents, put them in touch with Downs Syndrome advocacy and support groups – then I don’t see such testing as a bad thing.
For instance when my niece and her husband found out they were pregnant again, only 4 months after my niece had delivered their first daughter via an emergency c-section after 48 hours of labor and her having some preeclampsia, they found out on a routine sonogram that they were having triplets and that two of the babies shared the same uterine sack.
Her OBY at the time told my niece and her husband that this pregnancy was so “high risk” that she should either abort all three babies or have a “selective” reduction, i.e. abort/murder one or two of them for the sake of the other(s). He even went as far as to tell them that if she didn’t do this, that she might likely die from a ruptured uterus and hemorrhage out and bleed to death, or have a miscarriage and that he wouldn’t continue to be their OBY unless they at least agreed to have a “selective reduction”.
My nice and her husband were devastated but instead of listening to their OBY, they sought out another OBY, one specializing in multiples and high risk pregnancies and found him at the Penn State Milton Hershey Hospital (and FWIW, their doc was the same doc that delivered the sextuplets made famous in a TLC show, although FWIU, he didn’t have much nice things to say about that mom).
The new OBY told them that yes, there were risks, that the pregnancy would not be easy for her, but nothing like their previous OBY had made it out to be (and he basically called him an idiot for suggesting abortion and implied that he should probably find another career). He told my niece – “with my and my team’s experience, your dedication as a mom, and more importantly with God’s help, you and your babies will be just fine”.
But what the new OBY did was have my niece closely monitored especially for eclampsia and other complications. About halfway through her pregnancy, she had to get weekly hormone shots in order to prevent a miscarriage and ultrasounds to ensure the babies were doing/developing OK. Early on one sonogram looked as if the twins sharing the same uterine sack might have been conjoined twins that would have made the delivery even more complicated, but thankfully that was not the case.
And in her 3rd trimester she was put on “bed rest” and admitted to the Penn State Milton Hershey Hospital specialized high risk OBY ward. This put a great hardship on her husband and their not quite 1 year old daughter but was necessary to ensure a safe delivery that was scheduled to be done via a c-section, hopefully no sooner than at 32 weeks and the care she received was outstanding. And at 32 weeks, the night before the scheduled c-section, she went into labor and was rushed to the OR. And in the OR, there wasn’t just her OBY but a whole team of other doctors and nurses and 3 separate neo-natal teams, one for each of the babies. Her husband who was in the delivery room said it was like a highly skilled precision military operation – everyone worked together as a team but each one had a specific job and carried it out with precision. And my niece did have eclampsia and gestational diabetes and after giving birth was given medication for those issues.
All three babies were in the neo-natal ICU for several weeks. One of the girls (and all 3 were girls), the smallest of the 3, was born with a slight heart valve defect and with immature lungs and it was touch and go for her for the first week. But the heart valve defect was treated with medication and all three girls not only survived but thrived.
They are 7 years old now and you would never know they had been preemies.
And when their mom and dad and I and the rest of their loving family and friends look at them today, we can’t imagine life without them, and how sad and absolutely evil it would have been if one or any of them had been aborted.
Lets be honest OK? Rome approves divorce if you pay for it.. , more catholics have abortions than protestants
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According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which tracks reproductive health data, non-Hispanic Catholic women of childbearing age are 29% more likely than their Protestant counterparts to have abortions (full study*). The rate is even higher--33%--if Hispanics are factored in. Another way of looking at it: while Protestant women make up about 54% of the population, they account for only 37% of the abortions. Catholic women make up 31% of the population and account for 31% of the abortions.
See post 68...
**Protestants have decided that artificial birth control is O.K. (20th century), divorce and remarriage is O.K. (adultery) and now killing your handicapped children is O.K. How do they differ from atheists??? **
Does Guttmacher have numbers for contraceptive use? I would wager that non-Catholics are high users. Isn’t that the same as killing a baby? Going against God’s will?
I’m aware that Catholics do this too. Why did St. John Paul II write Theology of the Body?
They she must have missed Scriptures which teach that what one does and effects constitutes the evidence of what they believe, (Mt. 7:20; Ja. 2:18) and the inconvenient stats that testify that Caths are overall more liberal than Prots esp. evangelicals, based upon voting, and their own responses, including that higher percentages of RCs sanction abortions and contraceptives than evangelicals. And as Rome counts and treats even proabortion/homosexual/Muslim pols as members in life and in death, as well as their supporters, than her implicit sanction of their holding such views is manifest.
77% of Catholics polled "believe a person can be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, 65 percent believe good Catholics can divorce and remarry, and 53 percent believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 1999 poll by the National Catholic Reporter. http://www.catholictradition.org/v2-bombs14b.htm
In 1992 0nly 13 percent of Catholics overall agreed that abortion could never be a moral choice. 41% said it was morally acceptable in rare circumstances and another 41 percent said it was morally acceptable in many or all circumstances. 70% of Catholics overall agreed that Catholics can vote in good conscience for political candidates who support legal abortion. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/19/us/bishops-meet-catholics-voice-differences-with-church-s-doctrine-poll-finds.html
[2000-2001] Catholic women had an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. 43% of women over age 17 in the 2000-2001 survey said they were Protestant, while 27 percent said they were Catholic. 13 percent said they were evangelical or “born-again.” Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women, Alan Guttmacher Institute http://www.catholicleague.org/research/Catholic_women_and_abortion.htm; http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/abortions-comparing-catholic-and-protestant-women/
75% of white evangelical Protestants consider having an abortion morally wrong, as do 64% of Hispanic Catholics, 58% of black Protestants, 53% of white Catholics, 38% of white mainline Protestants and 25% of religiously unaffiliated adults. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/15/abortion-viewed-in-moral-terms/
White evangelical Protestants are the only major religious group in which a majority (54%) favors completely overturning Roe v. Wade. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/01/16/roe-v-wade-at-40/
35% of white evangelicals and 52% of 59% of white Catholics see overturning Roe v. Wade as not that important. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/01/16/roe-v-wade-at-40/
64% of white evangelical Protestants [blacks make up 6% of all evangelicals] believe abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, as do 52% of Hispanic Catholics, and 41% of white Catholics, and 39% of black Protestants, and 31% of white mainline Protestants. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/01/16/public-opinion-on-abortion-slideshow/
31% of faithful Catholics (those who attend church weekly, 2004) say abortion should be legal either in "many" or in "all" cases.. 2004, The Gallup Organization Gallup Survey for Catholics Speak Out: 802 Catholics, May 1992, MOE ± 4%;
When ask to choose, three-fourths of all Protestant pastors surveyed said [2009] they are pro-life, and 13 percent said they were pro-choice. LifeWay Research; http://www.lifeway.com/ArticleView?storeId=10054&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&article=LifeWay-Research-protestant-pastors-share-views-on-gay-marriage-abortion
26 percent of Catholics (2007) polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivocal position on abortion Catholic World Report; survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut; http://www.adoremus.org/397-Roper.html
40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx
More by God's grace
73 percent of Catholics rejected Catholic teaching artificial methods of birth control. Catholic World Report; 1997 survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut
Of never-married adult females, 25% of Evangelicals, 11% of Catholics and 14% of Mainline Protestants professed never to be have had sexual relations. Countering Conventional Wisdom: New Evidence on Religion and Contraceptive Use, Guttmacher Institute, April. 2011
Just 15% of U.S. Catholics say that using contraceptives is morally wrong. 41% say that using contraceptives is morally acceptable, while 36% say it is not a moral issue. 37% of Catholics who attend Mass at least once a week say using contraceptives is morally wrong while 33% say it is morally acceptable and 30% say it is not a moral issue. — http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/u-s-catholics-key-data-from-pew-research/#abortion
74% of Evangelicals, 73% of Mainline Protestants, and 68% of sexually active Catholics women use birth control. 3% of the Catholics rely on natural family planning. Attendance at religious services and importance of religion to daily life are largely unrelated to use of highly effective contraceptive methods. ^
88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. New York Times/CBS News poll, Apr. 21-23, 1994, subsample of 446 Catholics, MOE ± 5%
98% of self-identified Catholic women ages 15-44 who have ever had sexual relations have used a method of contraception other than natural family planning at some point in their lives. .” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html?wprss=fact-checker
40% of 18- to 29-year-old Catholics said the church’s “teachings on sexuality and birth control are out of date.” http://www.barna.org/teens-next-gen-articles/528-six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church
59% of all Catholic women of childbearing age practice contraception—a rate of usage statistically equivalent to that of the general population (60%). Calvin Goldscheider and William D. Mosher, "Patterns of Contraceptive Use in the United States:
And from the thread Religion in Latin America |November 13, 2014 | Pew Research Center:
Across the region, Protestants are more likely than Catholics to say that abortion should be illegal in all or most circumstances and that same-sex couples should not be allowed to legally wed. Protestants also are consistently more likely than Catholics to view drinking alcohol, divorce, sex outside of marriage and using artificial means of birth control as immoral. And Protestants are more inclined than Catholics to say that wives should always obey their husbands.
Catholics who attend Mass weekly generally express lower levels of support for allowing same-sex marriage than do Catholics who attend Mass less often.
Nevertheless, Protestants tend to be more socially conservative than Catholics even when levels of religious observance are taken into account.
(For more details, see below [http://www.pewforum.org/2014/11/13/chapter-5-social-attitudes/#catholics-and-protestants-religious-commitment-and-moral-views].)
Although the Catholic Church teaches that marriage is an “indissoluble union” between a man and a woman, Protestants across Latin America are more solidly opposed to divorce than Catholics are.
The gap between the views of Protestants and Catholics is especially wide in Venezuela, where half of Protestants (52%) say divorce is morally wrong, compared with 22% of Catholics.
Protestants also are far more likely than Catholics to say that divorce is immoral in Peru (67% vs. 39%) and Ecuador (64% vs. 37%).
Latin Americans are divided on the morality of sex outside marriage. In eight of the countries surveyed, majorities of adults say that sex between people who are not married to one another is morally wrong. But in other countries, roughly half or fewer object to sex outside marriage. Moral objections to sex outside marriage are highest in Guatemala (80%) and El Salvador (73%) and lowest in Uruguay (19%), Chile (23%) and Argentina (23%).
Generally, Protestants are more likely to oppose sex outside marriage than are Catholics. In 15 countries plus Puerto Rico, majorities of Protestants say that sex between people who are not married to each other is morally wrong. Among Catholics, half or fewer share this view in most countries surveyed.
As on other topics related to morality, differences between Protestants and Catholics are especially pronounced in Venezuela, where 77% of Protestants and 36% of Catholics say that sex outside marriage is morally wrong. Gaps of 30 percentage points or more between Protestants and Catholics also are seen in Colombia, Chile, Brazil and Panama.
In most countries, fewer than a third of adults – including just 10% of Argentinians, 8% of Chileans and 5% of Uruguayans – say that using contraceptives is morally wron
Objections to artificial means of birth control are highest in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Panama,
In many countries surveyed, significantly higher shares of Protestants than Catholics say that using contraceptives is morally wrong.
In Chile, for example, roughly a quarter of Protestants (23%) say using contraceptives is morally wrong, compared with just 5% of Catholics. And in Peru, about four-in-ten Protestants (39%) object to artificial means of birth control, compared with 23% of Catholics.
So you agree that Catholics get more abortions than Protestants.. and now we move on to birth control???
In April 2011, the Guttmacher Institute published the results of an analysis finding that 99% of all women of reproductive age who have ever had sex—including 98% of such Catholic women—have used a method of contraception other than natural family planning. These data have been ubiquitous in the recent debate over the requirement that private insurance plans cover contraceptive services and supplies without cost-sharing. However, there has been some confusion about various aspects of the research that produced this statistic.
Guttmacher’s analysis of data from the federal government’s National Survey of Family Growth found that the vast majority of American women of reproductive age (15–44)—including 99% of all sexually experienced women and 98% of those who identify themselves as Catholic—have used a method of contraception other than natural family planning at some point. Women may be classified as sexually experienced regardless of whether they are currently sexually active, using contraceptives, pregnant, trying to get pregnant or postpartum
By their early 20s, some 79% of never-married women—and 89% of never-married Catholic women—have had sex. (Presumably, all married women have done so.) In short, most American women (including Catholics) have had sex by their early 20s, and virtually all of them have used contraceptives other than natural family planning.
These statistics look only at women of reproductive age because that is the group impacted by policy changes related to insurance coverage of contraception.
Salvation , I am very pro life.. I object to abortifacient birth control..but I find no scriptural backing for birth control being sinful ...
The right priority!
depends on how you do it...
Genesis 38:9-10
The issue in that scripture was not fulfilling the law about family off springs.. scripture always interprets scripture.. and there is no supporting text that “birth control” was the sin.. Obviously he did not Invent that ...must have been common practice...but no where else condemned
Catholics don’t even have sense enough to be embarrassed to make some of the comments they do. Especially when poll after poll shows that Catholics are more inclined to vote for those who approve abortion, have abortions themselves, and approve of and use contraceptives.
I know.. .all they have to do is look around their churches and schools to see that the 2 child family is the norm... and THAT is no accident
Y'all Catholics brag on unity of doctrine and 1.2 billion strong, etc. Well, if y'all want to be considered a group, then wear the label.
As long as your church owns them and you have no choice about following church teaching, if the shoe fits......
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