Posted on 05/27/2015 9:41:01 AM PDT by Theo
basically harmless???
Not even close to harmless
The 1960’s and 70’s sexualized the nation. Perhaps you weren’t born yet then?
And how did you possibly miss the whole decade of the 1980’s?
If what Billy Graham did was perverse, what then of the preacher that did the same thing to Josh?
I think they might genuinely have believed their TV presence to be beneficial by presenting a good example. And as for the money, well they were raising a small crowd there, why should the help be refused?
But overall it appears to have suffered dysfunction sad enough to make them a hurt, rather than a help, to Christian witness. A good Christian isn’t a plaster saint, but someone who goes frequently to God for help to get straight again.
JimBob did right by public opinion. Not his family.
My whole beef with the situation.
And according to locals, they weren’t poor by a long shot before they got the show. I know plenty of people who’ve raised children on less. Even lots of children. Somehow they all managed to turn out OK even if they didn’t wear new clothes to school.
Well it looks like the law (a court) signed off on the expungement.
And they were not sworn to poverty... they are not Mother Teresa’s convent.
The media did not expose saintJFK for the womanizer he was. And had it not been for a stained blue dress and Linda Tripp more than likely old skank bjclinton would have gone untouched.
Why 'president' Clintons acts have set precedence with me is my children were toooooo young to be hearing the 'news media' having their collective orgasms over cigars in the oval office. Billy Graham gave bjclinton religious cover. And his followers kept telling me I was required to 'love the sinner' and 'hate the sin'.
I never heard a peep out of Billy Graham caring one wit about all the women bjclinton had already abused.
I know my kids were exposed to trash by the president. I cannot ignore the possibility that this family did not escaped that same trash. NOT an excuse, it is what happens when a society allows uptown trash to become president and live like gutter snipes, without consequences
There was no crime to be expunged.
Here’s where JimBob’s desire to cover it up like what’s in my cat’s litter box came back to get him in the rear.
HAD they taken it to the proper authorities at the time and the kids received counseling all the documents involved would have been adjudicated sealed at that time due to everyone being a minor.
SINCE JimBob cleverly waited till the statute of limitations had expired to ‘confess’ (only after someone had dropped a dime to the police and they’d called him in) there was no ‘crime’ to prosecute and therefore the documents involved didn’t AUTOMATICALLY get sealed.
Had JimBob done the RIGHT thing at the right time no one would know anything about all this.
But without a doubt, Josh would have had to move out of the family home.
Which would have hurt earning potential...
There’s a difference between living in your means, honestly, and sacrificing the well being of your own children for a dime. JimBob did the latter.
And since Josh didn’t get treatment in a timely fashion the rest of us will always wonder if he’s a potential re-offender.
Billy Graham covered over bjclinton. FACT I did a search.... Billy Graham quotes about Bill Clinton.... I linked the first one... The links bias does NOT change what Billy Graham did in fact do. Did you sleep through Clintonism?
I never heard a word out of Graham about most crimes.
Do you imply he tacitly approves them?
None of the people in the Clinton scandals were required ‘mandatory reporters’ by law because none of them were minors.
And JimBob and Michelle didn’t behave much differently than the media did with JFK and Clinton. Coverup...coverup...coverup...
Politics is a very dirty game. I don’t expect otherwise.
I DO expect otherwise from Christian parents.
I protested in front of the Clinton Whitehouse.
Does that answer your question?
I’m still afraid I don’t find the link between Bill Clinton and Josh Duggar.
Unless you mean to imply Josh is simply a less politically connected version of Bill Clinton?
Billy Graham did not have to say squat. But he did, and what he said was religious cover for the Clintons. Which in turn got filtered down to the followers. They in large number voted to reelect the abuser. Why, it would not surprise me one bit, if right here on this thread, are not some who did in fact vote for old bjclinton. Pure supposition and of course honesty would be required if a test were given.
None of the people in the Clinton scandals were required ‘mandatory reporters’ by law because none of them were minors.
Ah, those that got a state trooper escort might as well have been minors.
And JimBob and Michelle didn’t behave much differently than the media did with JFK and Clinton. Coverup...coverup...coverup... Politics is a very dirty game. I don’t expect otherwise.
Well it does require to know the minds 'covering up', to state for a certainty the purpose of the cover up. Was it to protect the son or was it to protect the daughters from getting the 'state's' treatment.
I cannot answer that question, nor am I excusing it. The statute of limitations have run for the 'state's treatment'. However, public ridicule does not ever end when it serves the purpose of some.
I DO expect otherwise from Christian parents.
Well, I too have that same expectation of any claiming to be Christian, these people notwithstanding.
Interesting theory...it makes a lot of sense.
It’s true that the media is raking it over the coals for their own purposes, BUT it was not all over and done with and taken care of. I understand that the perp was young (even 15 is young, really) and his parents weren’t eager to ruin his entire life. I would have been okay with them seeking counseling, first for him, to help him understand why what he did was heinous, and then to help him learn how to NEVER re-offend, and then counseling as a family, so the girls could have their say in a safe environment, and a sense of justice would have been maintained.
But apparently the parents didn’t seek out any sort of real treatment or counseling for him. They just sent him off to do some sort of work punishment. That didn’t give the girls their say, or a sense of justice. And I don’t see how it could have helped him at all. So the parents’ “dealing with it” was crap. If the dog poops on the carpet, sweeping it under the carpet isn’t “dealing with it.” You have to deal with all the ramifications. Which they either didn’t want to or were totally incompetent to realize.
Anyway, I don’t like the media circus, but perhaps at last the girls feel heard and vindicated. I hope so.
How old was Josh Duggar when the clintonsexacapades were exposed to any and all? Something, it would seem sparked his interest in checking out his sisters. I know through my experience, that what got spoken of on the nightly news drew my children's attention. Such that my daughter refused to get out to see the White House in 1999. She was not yet a teenager. I cannot forget what I had to live through in attempts to explain or ignore the perverts this nation hired to lead US.
I have been told by a parent in a different state about high school sports teams having 'I did not have sex with that woman' parties. I really do not wish to get into more detail.... I have been told that 15 year old are getting a demonstration in a public school the proper method to put a condom on a banana... NOT an excuse but something triggered Josh Duggar.
Your comments have not sounded the least bit sanctimonious, but honest and from the heart.
There is blood in the water and the sharks are in a feeding frenzy. Finally, the Duggar family’s opponents have found what they have been eagerly waiting for: shocking revelations of scandal by Jim Bob and Michelle’s firstborn son, Josh.
It’s as if their whole lives have been delegitimized. But its really infuriating to know that TLC knew this was in their background.
YES!!!!!
it is interesting that the family is being crucified in there handling of the nasty business of there son victimizing his younger sisters. this is a family with over 19 kids in it. it does not surprise me that there was one child or I should say teen ager ( josh was 14 when he did this) who has done something vile. in my family I have seven other sibling and one of my siblings is in jail for murder and in my opinion should of been executed for what he did. so the question I ask is if my brother committed murder should my whole family be judged on his action. the same for the Duggars should the whole family be judged for there one kids action. the truth about what happen in that family is that it is a normal family with problems of normal families. another truth is that incest and child molestation happens all to often in families and the reason why we react to it the way we do is that it is common to have been a victim of it. I would not be surprised if josh himself had been victimized though that is not an excuse for what he did.
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