Posted on 04/29/2015 9:07:49 AM PDT by Gamecock
Full title: “It is Going to Be an Issue” — Supreme Court Argument on Same-Sex Marriage Puts Religious Liberty in the Crosshairs
It is … it is going to be an issue.” With those words, spoken yesterday before the Supreme Court of the Unites States, the Solicitor General of the United States announced that religious liberty is directly threatened by the legalization of same-sex marriage. Donald Verrili, representing the Obama Administration as the nation’s highest court considered again the issue of same-sex marriage, was responding to a question from Justice Samuel Alito. His answer confirms with candor the threat we have long seen coming.
Back in 2005, long before the movement to legalize same-sex marriage had gained cultural momentum, the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty held a forum on the question of gay marriage and religious freedom. The forum included major legal theorists on both sides of the marriage issue. What united most of the legal experts was the consensus that same-sex marriage would present a clear and present danger to the rights of those who would oppose gay marriage on religious grounds.
Marc D. Stern, then representing the American Jewish Congress, put the matter directly:
“The legalization of same-sex marriage would represent the triumph of an egalitarian-based ethic over a faith-based one, and not just legally. The remaining question is whether champions of tolerance are prepared to tolerate proponents of a different ethical vision. I think the answer will be no.”
That was a prophetic statement, as we can now see. Stern continued:
“Within certain defined areas, opponents of gay rights will be unaffected by an embrace of same-sex marriage. But in others, the impact will be substantial. I am not optimistic that, under current law, much can be done to ameliorate the impact on religious dissenters.”
Keep that in mind as you consider the oral arguments in Obergefell v. Hodges, the same-sex marriage case that sets the stage for the legalization of same-sex marriage in all fifty states — and sets the stage for what may well be, in the United States, the greatest threat to religious liberty of our lifetime.
The first exchange on religious liberty came as Justice Antonin Scalia asked Mary L. Bonauto, lead counsel arguing for same-sex marriage, if clergy would be required to perform same-sex ceremonies. Bonauto insisted that declaring a constitutional right for gay marriage would not require clergy of any faith to perform same-sex ceremonies.
The second exchange was between Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Solicitor General Verrilli, also arguing for same-sex marriage. The Chief Justice asked: “Would a religious school that has married housing be required to afford such housing to same-sex couples?”
The Solicitor General did not say no. Instead, he said that the federal government, at present, does not have a law banning discrimination in such matters on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. As for the states, “that is going to depend on how the States work out the balance between their civil rights laws, whether they decide there’s going to be civil rights enforcement of discrimination based on sexual orientation or not, and how they decide what kinds of accommodations they are going to allow under State law.” He went on to say that “different states could strike different balances.”
Make no mistake. The Solicitor General of the United States just announced that the rights of a religious school to operate on the basis of its own religious faith will survive only as an “accommodation” on a state by state basis, and only until the federal government passes its own legislation, with whatever “accommodation” might be included in that law. Note also that the President he represented in court has called for the very legislation Verrilli said does not exist … for now.
Verrilli’s answer puts the nation’s religious institutions, including Christian colleges, schools, and seminaries, on notice. The Chief Justice asked the unavoidable question when he asked specifically about campus housing. If a school cannot define its housing policies on the basis of its religious beliefs, then it is denied the ability to operate on the basis of those beliefs. The “big three” issues for religious schools are the freedoms to maintain admission, hiring, and student services on the basis of religious conviction. By asking about student housing, the Chief Justice asked one of the most practical questions involved in student services. The same principles would apply to the admission of students and the hiring of faculty. All three are now directly threatened. The Solicitor General admitted that these liberties will be “accommodated” or not depending on how states define their laws. And the laws of the states would lose relevance the moment the federal government adopts its own law.
The third exchange on religious liberty came as Justice Samuel Alito asked Verrilli about the right of religious institutions to maintain tax-exempt status, citing the Supreme Court’s decision to allow the Internal Revenue Service to strip Bob Jones University because of that school’s policy against interracial dating and interracial marriage. That policy of Bob Jones University remains a moral blight to this day, even though the university has since rescinded the policy. Bob Jones University stood virtually alone in this unconscionable policy, but the Court’s decision in that lamentable case also set the stage for Justice Alito’s question — “would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed same-sex marriage?”
Pay close attention to Solicitor General Verrilli’s response:
“You know, I — I don’t think I can answer that question without knowing more specifics, but it’s certainly going to be an issue. I — I don’t deny that. I don’t deny that, Justice Alito. It is — it is going to be an issue.”
Verrilli’s pauses no doubt indicate that he understood the importance of what he was saying — “It’s going to be an issue.”
It will indeed be an issue, and now we have been told so by none other than the Solicitor General of the United States. The loss of tax-exempt status would put countless churches and religious institutions out of business, simply because the burden of property taxes and loss of charitable support would cripple their ability to sustain their mission.
The crippling effects of a loss of tax-exempt status was acknowledged at the Becket Fund event by Jonathan Turley of the George Washington University Law School. “The debate over same-sex marriage,” he explained, “has become for the twenty-first century what the abortion debate was for the twentieth century: a single, defining issue that divides the country in a zero-sum political battle.”
Consider his words:
“Many organizations attract members with their commitment to certain fundamental matters of faith or morals, including a rejection of same-sex marriage or homosexuality. It is rather artificial to tell such groups that they can condemn homosexuality as long as they are willing to hire homosexuals as a part of that mission. It is equally disingenuous to suggest that denial of such things as tax exemption does not constitute a content-based punishment for religious views.”
Those words were spoken back in 2005. The words of Solicitor General Verrilli were spoken yesterday before the Supreme Court of the United States. You can draw a direct line across those years from Professor Turley’s acknowledgment and Mr. Verrilli’s confirmation of the threat — “It’s going to be an issue.”
As the Supreme Court considers the issue of same-sex marriage, and with cultural momentum building for same-sex marriage at warp speed, Marc Stern’s comments also demand our attention. He is undoubtedly right that the victory of same-sex marriage means the victory of an “egalitarian-based ethic over a faith-based one.”
The remaining question, he said then, “whether champions of tolerance are prepared to tolerate proponents of a different ethical vision.” Even then, he warned: “I think the answer will be no.”
We will soon find out just how tolerant those who preached tolerance for same-sex marriage will turn out to be, now that they are ascendant in the culture. Meanwhile, even as we were repeatedly told that warnings about threats to religious liberty were overblown, the truth came out before the Supreme Court yesterday. Take the Solicitor General at his word. “It’s going to be an issue.”
The Supreme Court is sup-post to deliver their decision in June and we have been told that ‘Jade Helm’ will begin in June....Just Saying....
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
Anyone care to mention a major religion which doesn’t start with the foundation of a marriage ceremony?
Hello Bud.
Ok I don’t think the Supreme Court is going to rule in our favor.
However there is no way that the gays can force the Catholic Church to perform a marriage. They turn away divorced people all the time. They will not perform a marriage on someone who has been divorced. So they DEFINITELY won’t perform a marriage on a gay wedding.
Actually, referring to “religious liberty” being in the crosshairs is misstating what will happen.
It’s not “religious liberty”, it’s CHRISTIANITY that is in the crosshairs.
The left will selectively apply any anti-”religious” ruling, give the Muslims a pass, and go full “witch hunt” mode against Christians.
Anyone care to mention a major religion which doesn’t start with the foundation of a marriage ceremony?
Actually the 1st Amendment declares that Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion one way or another. In other words the federal government can neither call for the establishment of religion nor forbid the states from doing so. All this amendment does is remove the question of religion from federal jurisdiction and reserve it to the states.
Not necessarily true. Jurisprudence over the 14th Amendment has led to the incorporation doctrine. This doctrine holds that the Bill of Rights applies to state governments as well as the Federal government. Under that doctrine, a state cannot establish an official religion any more than the Federal government can.
You can agree with the incorporation doctrine or not, but it is well established in judicial proceedings and it is not going to be overturned any time soon. The states cannot and will not for the forseeable future have the power to establish an official religion.
Thanks for posting this. THIS is the stuff that should trump every other issue of concern. LIFE. RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
We are hearing from boobs talking already of sitting out this election over AMNESTY, or if they are in the GANG OF 8, or if they are deemed RINO.
Astonishingly, it is usually from Cruz supporters!
Yet, all of our candidates among the top tier are Christians and pro-LIFE, staunch supporters of religious liberty.
Hillary wants religious views changed and LEGISLATED to accommodate perversion and totalitarianism. Abortion alone is enough to send our nation to hell, and religious tyranny is the result. If we allowed abortion into our house, we asked for tyranny.
Hello? Amnesty simply is not our God. Sitting out an election full of Republican Christian contenders, imnsho, is a sin. The right to vote is being spat upon over madness.
Especially since Hillary came out yesterday with the pronoucement that “we” are going to have to fundamentally change our religious beliefs!
Reminiscent of Obama vowing to “fundamentally” change America.
Look how that has worked out!
Never say never.
Personally I think it's only a matter of time before a pair of lesbos see the cutest little church that they just HAVE to get married in. Of course when the pastor says no, they file a lawsuit, etc., etc.
They will not perform a marriage on someone who has been divorced. So they DEFINITELY won’t perform a marriage on a gay wedding.
you overlook that fact that divorcees are not, and probably never will be, a federally ‘protected’ group like homosexuals will soon be...
and the Church may soon come to schism over such matters, when the tax laws change, and the ramifications of those changes are felt...
personally, I’d love to join up with a church practicing pre-Vatican II ecclesiology, regardless of its size and influence,, which is something the RCC of today cannot provide me...
a very interesting article...I’m afraid religious expression, and its freedom of articulation, will become the defining issue of our time, and that the majority of the Faithful of whatever denominational stripe will not pay it the proper attention...
I am familiar with the incorporation doctrine that was established by Cantwell v. Connecticut in 1940. This, however, was a false reading of the 14th Amendment. If there was any freedom established by the 1st Amendment it was that of the states to regulate religion. This was an egregious example of legislation by the court. It is also the foundation for the elimination of morals from the law and the resulting hostility toward religion. We should no more accept this as established law as Roe v. Wade or a possible ruling in favor of same sex marriage. The first step in overturning it is to speak the truth about its true meaning.
Divorced people are not a constitutionally protected group
They aren’t going to go after churches that don’t perform same sex marriages. Directly anyways.
Roberts and Alitios questions get to where this is going: targeting religious schools and other religious institutions that don’t accomidate homosexuals who are already married.
Married housing is one area. Another is in hiring - for instance Catholic schools that refuse to hire a teacher on the basis of that teacher being in a same sex marriage will lose their tax exemptions. The same is true of a religious based institution like the Boy Scouts.
Which can be done ADMINISTRATIVELY, through the IRS rather than going to the courts.
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