Posted on 04/05/2015 1:59:53 PM PDT by NYer
Let not your heart be troubled! I never realised until coming here that people believe that when the body dies, the soul is somewhere in oblivion until the Final Resurrection. Some have vague ideas of where the soul goes, some use the usual insults, evasions, etc. to avoid the answer they just can't seem to agree upon. God's in His Heaven, apparently alone, according to some. It's a popular misconception here.
God bless you and Mary keep you!
I had to look that one up.
"Playing the Dozens" - Definition: A game of put-downs: the rapid, ritualistic exchange of insults, often targeting family members. The rhetorical contest of playing or shooting the dozens ...
You do realize you are admitting your fellow Catholics participate in exchanging of the insults, right? I'm all for being respectful in disagreement, but even a casual glance through this thread shows from whom the personal insults are really coming. NOBODY has "insulted" Mary, the mother of Jesus. If you cannot tolerate reading the comments of others who disagree with the Catholic view of her, then you may want to stick with Caucus threads. Calling others "fools" just because they don't hold your doctrinal beliefs is certainly NOT being respectful and it is doing it to Jesus.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
The Catholics are not the ones dissing Mary. And, if you’re young enough to have to look it up, you may not realize the main object of the verbal attack was what was considered to be the lowest a person could go: disrespecting the person’s mother. That was playground stuff for kids. Here, we have a post about Mary, and that’s what happens.
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>> “ End of pointless discussion.” <<
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You heard the dust falling from my sandals all the way over there!
Better hearing than a German Shepard.
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German Shepherd.
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Said Rin Tin Tin.
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I thought of the beautiful song Ave Maria. I wanted to see the Latin words because I know Karen Carpenter, raised a Methodist, sang it. So many have sung it, many I never heard of, Jackie Evancho, even Barbra Streisand, Jewish. They are on youtube.
So I chose this one. The beautiful Olivia Hussey in Zefferelli's Jesus of Nazareth. Mary says good bye to her mother and gets in an odd wicker conveyance to visit her cousin Elizabeth. It's so moving when they greet each other.
It's sung to a different tune than Schubert or Bach-Gunoud, but it moved me to tears. I don't see how anybody could regret watching it even if they don't agree totally with the meaning of the lyrics.
If I were to go back, I would not be able to enumerate some of the posts that make a Catholic's skin crawl because of the way they're written and because of the same inflammatory remarks over and over again. To a Catholic, the Eucharist, Mary, and God's authority through His Church are important to us, even more so than a parent. If I were to name some of the things said, it really would be making it personal, as there are those who cannot disagree peacefully, but must be cutting, pushy and vicious not to mention totally unreasonable at times.
I looked at what you wrote as not hostile, nor mocking; we can each present what we believe. I agree with that last statement. We should be respectful of one another. It was worth repeating, so I copied and pasted it. Hope you don't mind I made the last part bold... You summed it up well! God bless you!
I can - and HAVE - called her blessed, an inspiration to all Christians of faith and courage and still not agree that she was made sinless from her birth, remained sinless her entire life, was a perpetual virgin (I absolutely believe she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus) or that she was bodily assumed into heaven and makes intercession for us and dispenses all graces. I can disagree without being disagreeable. This should be something ALL Freepers do on Religion Forum threads no matter what side one finds him/herself on. I hope we agree on that.
That was a big event when it came out. It was on over 2 or 3 nights. The actors spoke in English or Italian, and it was dubbed. He had Mary quiet and thoughtful throughout the picture- and Olivia Hussey was perfect for the part. Anyway, when Jesus was shown taken off the Cross, and placed in His mother's arms, she was shown weeping and wailing on the old-country Italian fashion, and the only words she spoke were, "figlio mio!", that is, "My Son!"
If you can rent or order the video, I bet you'll really enjoy it. The acting was great-lots of people, some who have since passed, like Sir Lawrence Olivier, Ernest Borgnine, Christopher Plummer, James Earl Jones... And the scenery was beautiful!
Thanks again! You found the video, but if you'd like the words in Latin/English, let me know!
God bless you and Mary keep you!
God is One.
God is Three.
Those two statements are both true, even though to our human logic they are contradictory. This is a glimpse of God’s wisdom, and reinforces that ‘God’s thoughts are not our thoughts’.
The Trinity is a mystery, and if you think you understand it, you don’t. Human brains cannot process it fully. That is why it must be accepted on faith.
I have no idea where you pulled that last sentence from, it has no bearing on this discussion and is clearly an unprovoked attack.
Love,
O2
I can google the Latin words if I really need them. I know all the people sang them. I can't spend all night watching videos but one had the singer, I could make out most of the words, but the printed words didn't match what was sung (to me). I have the Latin words in a box of my piano and organ music.
I've been revisiting Garabandal. I'd forgotten all about it but was somewhat taken by it in the early 70's when word got to the midwest. I wasn't Catholic at the time. Some of my fellow classmates, one the smartest, a guy, was really taken by it. Now I've updated myself and it was never approved. All the girls got married; Conchita got married to an older divorced man but may have had an annulment. Mari Loli died at age 60 of lupus. Conchita's husband, Patrick J. Keena, passed away from colon cancer. All very sad and confusing.
Regarding Olivia Hussey, I wish some of this weren't so. I was so taken by Christopher Jones who played Major Doryan in Ryan's Daughter. He's passed away now. He had Olivia Hussey with him during the filming in Ireland. But Sharon Tate got murdered during that time and Jones was quite infatuated by her while she was still married to Roman Polanski. He quit acting after that. That's what I found on the web anyway.
Olivia Hussey was married 3 times and has three children. Her daughter by her last and most lasting marriage to an Eisley, named India I think, is just as gorgeous as her mother.
I think Zeferelli may have made Brother Sun Sister Moon, not sure, one of my favorites.
So I'll find a way to watch that film in good time. Evidentally it was a 3-day tv miniseries I think. I don't remember seeing it before.
Take care and may Heaven watch over you, too.
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