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This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind
Churchpop ^ | April 4, 2015 | Albert Little -

Posted on 04/05/2015 1:59:53 PM PDT by NYer

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Satan cannot drive out Satan. A house, or a kingdom, cannot be divided against itself.

The synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record this profound event in the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. After healing a demon-possessed man, Jesus is confronted by the Pharisees, the pious religious leaders of the time, who question what authority Jesus has to cast out demons. They suggest, since Jesus certainly can’t possibly be working through the power of God, that it must be Satan, the devil, that’s given Him the power to drive out the demonic.

I think it’s safe to say that Jesus’s profound theological observation—that Satan can’t work against himself—can be applied to the context of modern day miracles as well.

Miracles, like those connected to the appearance or the intercession of the Virgin Mary, cannot possibly be explained as work of Satan. Miracles which, for all intents and purposes, draw millions to Jesus Christ Himself. When I dug deep into the historical miracles of the Catholic Church, especially those connected with the intercession and appearance of the Virgin Mary, I knew I had something enormous to contend with. What I found, dear reader, blew my mind.

As a Protestant, especially a Pentecostal, miracles weren’t something wholly unfamiliar to my faith life or to my understanding of Christianity. Far from it. In the middle years of my University life I attended a charismatic Pentecostal church in town where faith healings, speaking in tongues, and being slain in the Spirit were par for the course in a Sunday evening meeting. I’ve witnesses miracles, to be sure.

When I began to explore the Catholic Church, however, I was perplexed, as a Protestant, as to how miracles could be attributed to the intercession of Mary. To begin, I didn’t understand that notion of the intercession of the saints, so that didn’t help. But I worried, as well, that perhaps all those superstitious Catholics had the wool pulled over their eyes, so to speak, by the Father of Lies, Satan himself.

I think this is a fairly common concern of evangelical Protestants—at least this was my experience. What if the miracles of Mary were nothing more than a garden variety strategy by Satan to lead the Catholic Church, and well-meaning Catholic Christians, away from the truth of Christ? What if, instead of raising up Christ, these miracles were a diabolical means to elevate Mary to the status of an idol? My fear, as a good Pentecostal Protestant, was that Satan had put Mary in the way of Christ.

But how can a kingdom be divided against itself? It can’t. Jesus is clear.

Because, as I’ve learned, the Marian miracles, and there are scores and scores of them, do not lead well-meaning people away from Christ, towards Mary. The Marian miracles lead millions to Christ. And that can’t be the work of Satan.

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

In 1830 an apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine Laboure, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, France. Over the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary allegedly told Sister Catherine to have a medal fashioned in her image for faithful Catholics to wear around their necks.

Now called the Miraculous Medal, the medal itself features highly symbolic imagery of Mary and asserts, among other things, her Immaculate Conception, a dogma which wasn’t proclaimed by the Church until 24 years later, although it had been piously believed since the early foundation of the Christian Church.

Several things are critically important to understand about this story.

The first is this. The Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine—these days canonized as St. Catherine—at a critical junction in the life of the Church. Although widely held to be true, the Church hadn’t promulgated an official teaching on the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary—that is, she was conceived from the very first moment, protected by God, from sin. St. Catherine’s apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared at just the right time, making even more popular the widely held belief by establishing a mission to create and distribute the Miraculous Medal and its message.

The second important thing to understand is this. The body of St. Catherine is what the Church calls incorruptible. What does that mean? That means that coming up on 200 years after her death her body, which lies interred in the chapel where she first received this vision of the Virgin Mary, has not decayed.

I’ll say that again: Her body has not decayed. For how long now? 200 years.

What blows my mind, dear reader, is that not only have miracles been genuinely associated with the medal that the Blessed Mother gave to St. Catherine—that’s why it’s called the Miraculous Medal—but that, as if to underscore the reality of these miracles, Catherine’s body itself has not decayed, unpreserved, after nearly 200 years!

Our Lady of Guadalupe

In a nutshell, the miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe is something after the heart of Jesus. Of course, because Mary’s miracles don’t work through some incredible power of Mary herself—they point to Christ—so we should expect, as she often does, Mary to appear to the poor and destitute, the young and the sick, as Jesus did, and would.

In 1531, the Virgin Mary appeared to a native American peasant named Juan Diego in a place just outside of Mexico City. Mary asked for Juan to petition the local bishop to have chapel build in her name. Juan, obviously awestruck, went to the bishop but his story wasn’t well received. In the course of several more appearances, and the continued reluctance of the bishop to believe Juan’s story, the Virgin Mary instructed him to gather some flowers into his cloak, flowers growing on a particular hill which, interestingly enough, weren’t native to the area (and shouldn’t have been growing at that time).

Finding the flowers, Juan gathered them up and went to see the bishop. When he opened his cloak to show the bishop the flowers, as proof of the Virgin Mary’s appearance and the truth of his story, he revealed quite a bit more.

Instead, the inside of Juan’s cloak was miraculously transformed into a deeply symbolic image of the Blessed Mother. Like the Miraculous Medal, 300 years later, the symbolism was incredibly rich, and the appearance of the image itself, entirely miraculous.

In fact, and incredibly, like the incorruptible body of St. Catherine the very same cloak worn by Juan Diego, displaying the image of Our Lady, can still be seen today, nearly 500 years later. The cloak and its preservation from decay, subjected to rigorous scientific tests, is truly beyond the explanation of science.

And pointing to Christ? The miracle of the cloak and word of its occurrence spread throughout Mexico and it’s believed that some eight million Aztec natives were converted to Christianity. The pilgrimage to see Juan’s cloak and the chapel which was, obviously, built in her name following the miracle, remains the largest pilgrimage in North America and sees millions of people every year come to celebrate Mass, and worship Jesus Christ, from all around the world.

That blows my mind.

Our Lady of Lourdes

Finally, the miracles of Our Lady of Lourdes.

In 1858, the Virgin Mary appeared to Bernadette Soubirous, a 14-year old peasant girl in Lourdes, France. In the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary spoke to Bernadette who, like Juan, wasn’t at first believed by her parents and peers. But Bernadette insisted, and persisted, and Mary’s appearances culminated in the instruction to Bernadette to dig in a certain area of the ground, near the grotto, where Mary had been appearing.

From the area Bernadette dug a spring appeared. This spring would later go on to be connected with scores of miraculous physical and spiritual healings and gain official status in the Church as a place of great importance.

In fact, the incredible aspect of Lourdes, in my opinion, is the enormous body of evidence which exists to support the profound miracles perpetuated at this holy site. The Lourdes Medical Bureau, an organization which exists to examine and rule on possible miraculous healings, has declared 68 scientifically inexplicable miracles to have occurred at Lourdes. The Bureau itself is incredible in its sophistication and expertise made up on an enormous panel of expert doctors, including skeptics, from around the world and with a tightly-controlled and highly-regulated system for declaring what is, and isn’t, an unexplained miracle.

Out of some 7,000 cases the Bureau has examined 68 may seem like a small amount of genuine healings. But, think about this, that’s still 68 healings that science cannot, in any sense, explain.

That blows my mind.

Lourdes, to this day, is one of the most popular Catholic pilgrimage sites in the world.

Mary’s Miracles Always Point to Christ

A good, devout Catholic doesn’t need to believe in any of Mary’s miracles to be a Catholic. The Church teaches that private revelation, like these sorts of miracles, can be believed, or not. Even in cases, like Lourdes, where the Church definitively declares a miracle to have taken place it’s up to the individual believer to necessarily subscribe to it, or not.

Personally, and, obviously, there’s a lot of compelling stuff in here. For me, as a Protestant, I find no other way to explain these miracles than to say, flatly, that there’s something about Mary. Something incredible. Something blessed.

If God doesn’t work through the intercession of the saints, if Mary was no one more special than a fourteen year old Jewish virgin, then why is her intercession the cause of these profound miracles? Why, if she is not, as Catholics assert, first amongst the saints, would God use her in this way? It would, in the end, truly be pulling the wool over the eyes of Catholics if God used Mary in this way and let us go on, happily, believing in her special place in the kingdom.

If Mary isn’t who Catholics say she is, and if the saints aren’t to be venerated (asked to pray for us in the same way I ask my living, Christian friends to pray for me) then why would God allow her to appear, in this way, to mislead Catholics. Because, ultimately, it would be misleading if she appeared like this and she wasn’t someone special.

Would God allow that? Would God use that?

As a Protestant, I struggled for answers here.

It would be, utterly impossible, however, for Satan to be working in this way. I think that’s clear enough. Satan could never, and would never, use anything that would lead so many millions of people to a relationship with Christ—and that is precisely what these Marian miracles do.

There are only so many ways to explain our way out of this, and they all exhaust in a simple conclusion. And that conclusion, the truth about Mary, the saints, and their intercessory power, has blown my mind.



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1 posted on 04/05/2015 1:59:53 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Blessed Easter, ping!


2 posted on 04/05/2015 2:00:18 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
Mary’s Miracles Always Point to Christ

And we believe.

3 posted on 04/05/2015 2:11:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Well looks like Albert found his goddess ....


4 posted on 04/05/2015 2:12:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock; metmom; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; BlueDragon; Mark17; HossB86; HarleyD; daniel1212; ...
For me, as a Protestant, I find no other way to explain these miracles than to say, flatly, that there’s something about Mary. Something incredible. Something blessed. If God doesn’t work through the intercession of the saints, if Mary was no one more special than a fourteen year old Jewish virgin, then why is her intercession the cause of these profound miracles? Why, if she is not, as Catholics assert, first amongst the saints, would God use her in this way? It would, in the end, truly be pulling the wool over the eyes of Catholics if God used Mary in this way and let us go on, happily, believing in her special place in the kingdom.

If Mary isn’t who Catholics say she is, and if the saints aren’t to be venerated (asked to pray for us in the same way I ask my living, Christian friends to pray for me) then why would God allow her to appear, in this way, to mislead Catholics. Because, ultimately, it would be misleading if she appeared like this and she wasn’t someone special. Would God allow that? Would God use that? As a Protestant, I struggled for answers here. It would be, utterly impossible, however, for Satan to be working in this way. I think that’s clear enough. Satan could never, and would never, use anything that would lead so many millions of people to a relationship with Christ—and that is precisely what these Marian miracles do.

Here I was, enjoying the Easter détente, hoping that no one would break the cease-fire until tomorrow....


5 posted on 04/05/2015 2:18:38 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer
"I think it’s safe to say that Jesus’s profound theological observation—that Satan can’t work against himself—can be applied to the context of modern day miracles as well."

It's simply an assertion that Satan can't do this. Why couldn't he? What would stop him from staging a possession and exorcism if it suited his purpose?

6 posted on 04/05/2015 2:22:01 PM PDT by mlo
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To: NYer
"Personally, and, obviously, there’s a lot of compelling stuff in here."

These aren't compelling stories at all. They simply reveal a lack of skepticism.

7 posted on 04/05/2015 2:26:46 PM PDT by mlo
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To: NYer; NRx

An Angel of the first rank was sent from heaven to say to the Theotokos: Rejoice! And perceiving You, 0 Lord, taking bodily form, he stood in awe and with his bodiless voice cried aloud to her such words as these:
Rejoice, through whom joy shall shine forth;
Rejoice, through whom the curse shall vanish.
Rejoice, fallen Adam’s restoration;
Rejoice, redemption of Eve’s tears.
Rejoice, height that is too difficult for human thought to ascend;
Rejoice, depth that is too strenuous for Angels’ eyes to perceive
Rejoice, for you are the throne of the King;
Rejoice, for you hold him Who sustains everything.
Rejoice, star that shows forth the Sun;
Rejoice, womb in which God became incarnate.
Rejoice, through whom creation is renewed;
Rejoice, through whom the Creator becomes an infant.
Rejoice, O Bride unwedded.


8 posted on 04/05/2015 2:31:46 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Alex Murphy
Albert Little is a Catholic convert, husband, and father-to-be. In his spare time he reads books, looks at birds through binoculars, and blogs at The Cordial Catholic.

Yet, he repeatedly states the LIE that he is a Protestant!

More tripe from the Liar-in-chief (or Deceiver-in-chief!)...


9 posted on 04/05/2015 2:32:06 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: RnMomof7

Nope. It looks like Albert has found his Mother, unlike apostates who have knowingly turned their backs on Her.


10 posted on 04/05/2015 2:33:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Mary is not a deity. Period


11 posted on 04/05/2015 2:35:10 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: NYer

“Miracles, like those connected to the appearance or the intercession of the Virgin Mary, cannot possibly be explained as work of Satan.”

They can depending upon what “Mary” says/does not say. Satan absolutely masquerades as a servant of righteousness, all the way up to proclaiming himself “god”. Satan using Mary as a foil is a given, seeing how easy it is to manipulate people with her imagery, symbolism, and high character. What kind of creep would speak against Mary or argue with words she might reveal?

Protestants get a bad rap here, though I honestly don’t think it’s deserved. I’ve never met one who had a beef with Mary, nor held her in low regard. The issue for Protestants is paying her IMPROPER regard, going beyond the written word concerning her. I’m sure Satan loves the discord he achieves with his masquerade.


12 posted on 04/05/2015 2:41:52 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: NYer; RnMomof7

(1) For honesty’s sake it should be “PAST Protestant.”
(2) People are being led to a “Christ” that requires Mary as a front woman, which is quite different from the explicit direct presence of Christ that marked biblical times.

This dispute is not going to vanish any time soon.


13 posted on 04/05/2015 2:43:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: avenir

From my stinkin’ evangelical bible viewpoint, it’s a matter of a God who has suddenly forgotten a large chunk of what used to be His direct compassion and lovingkindness.

Where is the heed to the commentary of David who spoke of the (agape) love of Jonathan as being better than that of women, and no they were not queers. Better. BETTER!!!

This issue did not appear in a vacuum. It appeared with other church problems, such as yielding to the temptation to believe secular government can somehow be baptized into Christ.

I’m not going to multiply conspiracy theories. It’s just something that the facts militate against.


14 posted on 04/05/2015 2:49:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GeronL
Mary is not a deity. Period

No, she's not. Who said she was?

She just happens to be the Mother of God.

15 posted on 04/05/2015 2:54:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: RnMomof7
Well looks like Albert found his goddess ....

Explain the 68 Miracles of Lourdes.

16 posted on 04/05/2015 3:29:16 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: NYer
Mary asked for Juan to petition the local bishop to have chapel build in her name.

And there's your sign.....

Now here is more of what the spirit said....

Speaking to him in Nahuatl, his native language, she said to him, "Juanito, my son, where are you going?"—"Noble Lady, my Queen, I am going to the Mass in Mexico City to hear the divine things that the priest teaches us there."—"I want you to know for certain, my dear son, that I am the perfect and always Virgin MARY, Mother of the True God from Whom all life comes, the Lord of all things, Creator of Heaven and Earth. I greatly desire that a church be built in my honor, in which I will show my love, compassion, and protection. I am your Mother full of mercy and love for you and all those who love Me, trust in Me, and have recourse to Me. I will hear their complaints and I will comfort their affliction and their sufferings. So that I might show all My love, go now to the bishop in Mexico City and tell him that I am sending you to make known to him the great desire I have to see a church dedicated to me built here." Read more: http://www.ewtn.com/saintsholy/saints/O/ourladyofguadalupe.asp#ixzz3WTYRCnQ0

Mary is not the "ever virgin" as she and Joseph had kids of their own.

Would the Mary of the Bible really ask for a church to be built in her name??

Are we to trust in Mary or Jesus.....there is a difference.

No mention of following Jesus or that He died for our sins.

The following is from catholic online.com

The first lesson is that God has chosen Mary to lead us to Jesus.

With no Biblical support for this the catholic church continues this lie. On the entire website for this article Jesus is mentioned twice....and neither in the actual article about the "vision". One time as noted above and the other regarding a video on a homily.

It is the Holy Spirit who moves us to believe.

17 posted on 04/05/2015 3:29:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NYer

*** Her body has not decayed. For how long now? 200 years.***

Nothing new. Napoleon was buried without embalming, yet when he was dug up years later his body had not decayed.

It was attributed to arsenic poisoned wine he had been drinking over several years.

Maybe St Catherine was also embalmed with arsenic.


18 posted on 04/05/2015 3:34:23 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: GeronL
Mary is not a deity. Period

This is exactly what Catholics have been saying since I joined FR over 9 years ago. I am thrilled that one of you finally understands that.

19 posted on 04/05/2015 3:35:44 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Maybe St Catherine was also embalmed with arsenic.

And maybe the Starship Enterprise went back in time and put her into a stasis chamber. Wait, wait, I got it: Maybe the "Flash" made her molecules vibrate so fast that she can't decay.

I will prove my theories after you prove yours.

Who the heck ever heard of embalming with arsenic?

20 posted on 04/05/2015 3:41:11 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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