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This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind
Churchpop ^ | April 4, 2015 | Albert Little -

Posted on 04/05/2015 1:59:53 PM PDT by NYer

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Satan cannot drive out Satan. A house, or a kingdom, cannot be divided against itself.

The synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record this profound event in the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. After healing a demon-possessed man, Jesus is confronted by the Pharisees, the pious religious leaders of the time, who question what authority Jesus has to cast out demons. They suggest, since Jesus certainly can’t possibly be working through the power of God, that it must be Satan, the devil, that’s given Him the power to drive out the demonic.

I think it’s safe to say that Jesus’s profound theological observation—that Satan can’t work against himself—can be applied to the context of modern day miracles as well.

Miracles, like those connected to the appearance or the intercession of the Virgin Mary, cannot possibly be explained as work of Satan. Miracles which, for all intents and purposes, draw millions to Jesus Christ Himself. When I dug deep into the historical miracles of the Catholic Church, especially those connected with the intercession and appearance of the Virgin Mary, I knew I had something enormous to contend with. What I found, dear reader, blew my mind.

As a Protestant, especially a Pentecostal, miracles weren’t something wholly unfamiliar to my faith life or to my understanding of Christianity. Far from it. In the middle years of my University life I attended a charismatic Pentecostal church in town where faith healings, speaking in tongues, and being slain in the Spirit were par for the course in a Sunday evening meeting. I’ve witnesses miracles, to be sure.

When I began to explore the Catholic Church, however, I was perplexed, as a Protestant, as to how miracles could be attributed to the intercession of Mary. To begin, I didn’t understand that notion of the intercession of the saints, so that didn’t help. But I worried, as well, that perhaps all those superstitious Catholics had the wool pulled over their eyes, so to speak, by the Father of Lies, Satan himself.

I think this is a fairly common concern of evangelical Protestants—at least this was my experience. What if the miracles of Mary were nothing more than a garden variety strategy by Satan to lead the Catholic Church, and well-meaning Catholic Christians, away from the truth of Christ? What if, instead of raising up Christ, these miracles were a diabolical means to elevate Mary to the status of an idol? My fear, as a good Pentecostal Protestant, was that Satan had put Mary in the way of Christ.

But how can a kingdom be divided against itself? It can’t. Jesus is clear.

Because, as I’ve learned, the Marian miracles, and there are scores and scores of them, do not lead well-meaning people away from Christ, towards Mary. The Marian miracles lead millions to Christ. And that can’t be the work of Satan.

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

In 1830 an apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine Laboure, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, France. Over the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary allegedly told Sister Catherine to have a medal fashioned in her image for faithful Catholics to wear around their necks.

Now called the Miraculous Medal, the medal itself features highly symbolic imagery of Mary and asserts, among other things, her Immaculate Conception, a dogma which wasn’t proclaimed by the Church until 24 years later, although it had been piously believed since the early foundation of the Christian Church.

Several things are critically important to understand about this story.

The first is this. The Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine—these days canonized as St. Catherine—at a critical junction in the life of the Church. Although widely held to be true, the Church hadn’t promulgated an official teaching on the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary—that is, she was conceived from the very first moment, protected by God, from sin. St. Catherine’s apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared at just the right time, making even more popular the widely held belief by establishing a mission to create and distribute the Miraculous Medal and its message.

The second important thing to understand is this. The body of St. Catherine is what the Church calls incorruptible. What does that mean? That means that coming up on 200 years after her death her body, which lies interred in the chapel where she first received this vision of the Virgin Mary, has not decayed.

I’ll say that again: Her body has not decayed. For how long now? 200 years.

What blows my mind, dear reader, is that not only have miracles been genuinely associated with the medal that the Blessed Mother gave to St. Catherine—that’s why it’s called the Miraculous Medal—but that, as if to underscore the reality of these miracles, Catherine’s body itself has not decayed, unpreserved, after nearly 200 years!

Our Lady of Guadalupe

In a nutshell, the miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe is something after the heart of Jesus. Of course, because Mary’s miracles don’t work through some incredible power of Mary herself—they point to Christ—so we should expect, as she often does, Mary to appear to the poor and destitute, the young and the sick, as Jesus did, and would.

In 1531, the Virgin Mary appeared to a native American peasant named Juan Diego in a place just outside of Mexico City. Mary asked for Juan to petition the local bishop to have chapel build in her name. Juan, obviously awestruck, went to the bishop but his story wasn’t well received. In the course of several more appearances, and the continued reluctance of the bishop to believe Juan’s story, the Virgin Mary instructed him to gather some flowers into his cloak, flowers growing on a particular hill which, interestingly enough, weren’t native to the area (and shouldn’t have been growing at that time).

Finding the flowers, Juan gathered them up and went to see the bishop. When he opened his cloak to show the bishop the flowers, as proof of the Virgin Mary’s appearance and the truth of his story, he revealed quite a bit more.

Instead, the inside of Juan’s cloak was miraculously transformed into a deeply symbolic image of the Blessed Mother. Like the Miraculous Medal, 300 years later, the symbolism was incredibly rich, and the appearance of the image itself, entirely miraculous.

In fact, and incredibly, like the incorruptible body of St. Catherine the very same cloak worn by Juan Diego, displaying the image of Our Lady, can still be seen today, nearly 500 years later. The cloak and its preservation from decay, subjected to rigorous scientific tests, is truly beyond the explanation of science.

And pointing to Christ? The miracle of the cloak and word of its occurrence spread throughout Mexico and it’s believed that some eight million Aztec natives were converted to Christianity. The pilgrimage to see Juan’s cloak and the chapel which was, obviously, built in her name following the miracle, remains the largest pilgrimage in North America and sees millions of people every year come to celebrate Mass, and worship Jesus Christ, from all around the world.

That blows my mind.

Our Lady of Lourdes

Finally, the miracles of Our Lady of Lourdes.

In 1858, the Virgin Mary appeared to Bernadette Soubirous, a 14-year old peasant girl in Lourdes, France. In the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary spoke to Bernadette who, like Juan, wasn’t at first believed by her parents and peers. But Bernadette insisted, and persisted, and Mary’s appearances culminated in the instruction to Bernadette to dig in a certain area of the ground, near the grotto, where Mary had been appearing.

From the area Bernadette dug a spring appeared. This spring would later go on to be connected with scores of miraculous physical and spiritual healings and gain official status in the Church as a place of great importance.

In fact, the incredible aspect of Lourdes, in my opinion, is the enormous body of evidence which exists to support the profound miracles perpetuated at this holy site. The Lourdes Medical Bureau, an organization which exists to examine and rule on possible miraculous healings, has declared 68 scientifically inexplicable miracles to have occurred at Lourdes. The Bureau itself is incredible in its sophistication and expertise made up on an enormous panel of expert doctors, including skeptics, from around the world and with a tightly-controlled and highly-regulated system for declaring what is, and isn’t, an unexplained miracle.

Out of some 7,000 cases the Bureau has examined 68 may seem like a small amount of genuine healings. But, think about this, that’s still 68 healings that science cannot, in any sense, explain.

That blows my mind.

Lourdes, to this day, is one of the most popular Catholic pilgrimage sites in the world.

Mary’s Miracles Always Point to Christ

A good, devout Catholic doesn’t need to believe in any of Mary’s miracles to be a Catholic. The Church teaches that private revelation, like these sorts of miracles, can be believed, or not. Even in cases, like Lourdes, where the Church definitively declares a miracle to have taken place it’s up to the individual believer to necessarily subscribe to it, or not.

Personally, and, obviously, there’s a lot of compelling stuff in here. For me, as a Protestant, I find no other way to explain these miracles than to say, flatly, that there’s something about Mary. Something incredible. Something blessed.

If God doesn’t work through the intercession of the saints, if Mary was no one more special than a fourteen year old Jewish virgin, then why is her intercession the cause of these profound miracles? Why, if she is not, as Catholics assert, first amongst the saints, would God use her in this way? It would, in the end, truly be pulling the wool over the eyes of Catholics if God used Mary in this way and let us go on, happily, believing in her special place in the kingdom.

If Mary isn’t who Catholics say she is, and if the saints aren’t to be venerated (asked to pray for us in the same way I ask my living, Christian friends to pray for me) then why would God allow her to appear, in this way, to mislead Catholics. Because, ultimately, it would be misleading if she appeared like this and she wasn’t someone special.

Would God allow that? Would God use that?

As a Protestant, I struggled for answers here.

It would be, utterly impossible, however, for Satan to be working in this way. I think that’s clear enough. Satan could never, and would never, use anything that would lead so many millions of people to a relationship with Christ—and that is precisely what these Marian miracles do.

There are only so many ways to explain our way out of this, and they all exhaust in a simple conclusion. And that conclusion, the truth about Mary, the saints, and their intercessory power, has blown my mind.



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To: Aliska
Hi,

Let not your heart be troubled! I never realised until coming here that people believe that when the body dies, the soul is somewhere in oblivion until the Final Resurrection. Some have vague ideas of where the soul goes, some use the usual insults, evasions, etc. to avoid the answer they just can't seem to agree upon. God's in His Heaven, apparently alone, according to some. It's a popular misconception here.

God bless you and Mary keep you!

241 posted on 04/07/2015 11:29:49 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God
You'd think people would grow up and stop "playing the dozens" -they're really doing it to Jesus.

I had to look that one up.

"Playing the Dozens" - Definition: A game of put-downs: the rapid, ritualistic exchange of insults, often targeting family members. The rhetorical contest of playing or shooting the dozens ...

You do realize you are admitting your fellow Catholics participate in exchanging of the insults, right? I'm all for being respectful in disagreement, but even a casual glance through this thread shows from whom the personal insults are really coming. NOBODY has "insulted" Mary, the mother of Jesus. If you cannot tolerate reading the comments of others who disagree with the Catholic view of her, then you may want to stick with Caucus threads. Calling others "fools" just because they don't hold your doctrinal beliefs is certainly NOT being respectful and it is doing it to Jesus.

242 posted on 04/07/2015 11:31:58 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Grateful2God; editor-surveyor

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.


243 posted on 04/07/2015 11:35:12 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: boatbums

The Catholics are not the ones dissing Mary. And, if you’re young enough to have to look it up, you may not realize the main object of the verbal attack was what was considered to be the lowest a person could go: disrespecting the person’s mother. That was playground stuff for kids. Here, we have a post about Mary, and that’s what happens.


244 posted on 04/07/2015 12:02:11 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God

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>> “ End of pointless discussion.” <<

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You heard the dust falling from my sandals all the way over there!

Better hearing than a German Shepard.
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245 posted on 04/07/2015 12:07:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

German Shepherd.


246 posted on 04/07/2015 12:11:17 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God

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Said Rin Tin Tin.
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247 posted on 04/07/2015 2:47:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Grateful2God
Well, I'm not that young and I still never heard the term before. I guess I hung around nicer people. How about you citing some comments that people have posted here that you consider "dissing" Mary? Remember, rejecting the Catholic dogmas about her that do not have a Biblical basis is NOT the same thing as disrespecting her. I can - and HAVE - called her blessed, an inspiration to all Christians of faith and courage and still not agree that she was made sinless from her birth, remained sinless her entire life, was a perpetual virgin (I absolutely believe she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus) or that she was bodily assumed into heaven and makes intercession for us and dispenses all graces. I can disagree without being disagreeable. This should be something ALL Freepers do on Religion Forum threads no matter what side one finds him/herself on. I hope we agree on that.
248 posted on 04/07/2015 3:21:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Grateful2God
Your #241. That was gracious of you. Blessings.

I thought of the beautiful song Ave Maria. I wanted to see the Latin words because I know Karen Carpenter, raised a Methodist, sang it. So many have sung it, many I never heard of, Jackie Evancho, even Barbra Streisand, Jewish. They are on youtube.

So I chose this one. The beautiful Olivia Hussey in Zefferelli's Jesus of Nazareth. Mary says good bye to her mother and gets in an odd wicker conveyance to visit her cousin Elizabeth. It's so moving when they greet each other.

It's sung to a different tune than Schubert or Bach-Gunoud, but it moved me to tears. I don't see how anybody could regret watching it even if they don't agree totally with the meaning of the lyrics.

Ave Maria

249 posted on 04/07/2015 4:59:38 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: boatbums
Thank you, I enjoyed your reply. I did grow up with nice kids, but there were always some bullies who wanted to get your goat, hit that one spot that even the most unflappable person would get angry at! A person always knew, if somebody's mother got picked on, it was gonna be big, and it was either time to jump in, or time to go find a grownup to break up the fight that was sure to come! George Carlin even mentioned it in one of his routines, which was where I first heard it called that...
Long time ago...

If I were to go back, I would not be able to enumerate some of the posts that make a Catholic's skin crawl because of the way they're written and because of the same inflammatory remarks over and over again. To a Catholic, the Eucharist, Mary, and God's authority through His Church are important to us, even more so than a parent. If I were to name some of the things said, it really would be making it personal, as there are those who cannot disagree peacefully, but must be cutting, pushy and vicious not to mention totally unreasonable at times.

I looked at what you wrote as not hostile, nor mocking; we can each present what we believe. I agree with that last statement. We should be respectful of one another. It was worth repeating, so I copied and pasted it. Hope you don't mind I made the last part bold... You summed it up well! God bless you!

I can - and HAVE - called her blessed, an inspiration to all Christians of faith and courage and still not agree that she was made sinless from her birth, remained sinless her entire life, was a perpetual virgin (I absolutely believe she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus) or that she was bodily assumed into heaven and makes intercession for us and dispenses all graces. I can disagree without being disagreeable. This should be something ALL Freepers do on Religion Forum threads no matter what side one finds him/herself on. I hope we agree on that.

250 posted on 04/07/2015 8:02:23 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Aliska
Thank you so much; that was beautiful! I never heard the melody before either, but it was lovely, especially with the Zeffirelli scenes!

That was a big event when it came out. It was on over 2 or 3 nights. The actors spoke in English or Italian, and it was dubbed. He had Mary quiet and thoughtful throughout the picture- and Olivia Hussey was perfect for the part. Anyway, when Jesus was shown taken off the Cross, and placed in His mother's arms, she was shown weeping and wailing on the old-country Italian fashion, and the only words she spoke were, "figlio mio!", that is, "My Son!"

If you can rent or order the video, I bet you'll really enjoy it. The acting was great-lots of people, some who have since passed, like Sir Lawrence Olivier, Ernest Borgnine, Christopher Plummer, James Earl Jones... And the scenery was beautiful!

Thanks again! You found the video, but if you'd like the words in Latin/English, let me know!

God bless you and Mary keep you!

251 posted on 04/07/2015 8:32:09 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Iscool

God is One.
God is Three.

Those two statements are both true, even though to our human logic they are contradictory. This is a glimpse of God’s wisdom, and reinforces that ‘God’s thoughts are not our thoughts’.

The Trinity is a mystery, and if you think you understand it, you don’t. Human brains cannot process it fully. That is why it must be accepted on faith.

I have no idea where you pulled that last sentence from, it has no bearing on this discussion and is clearly an unprovoked attack.

Love,
O2


252 posted on 04/08/2015 4:33:54 PM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grateful2God
Hi again, the video was $49.9x somewhere; maybe if I wait I can get a cd or dvd of it. It is the kind of movie I like.

I can google the Latin words if I really need them. I know all the people sang them. I can't spend all night watching videos but one had the singer, I could make out most of the words, but the printed words didn't match what was sung (to me). I have the Latin words in a box of my piano and organ music.

I've been revisiting Garabandal. I'd forgotten all about it but was somewhat taken by it in the early 70's when word got to the midwest. I wasn't Catholic at the time. Some of my fellow classmates, one the smartest, a guy, was really taken by it. Now I've updated myself and it was never approved. All the girls got married; Conchita got married to an older divorced man but may have had an annulment. Mari Loli died at age 60 of lupus. Conchita's husband, Patrick J. Keena, passed away from colon cancer. All very sad and confusing.

Regarding Olivia Hussey, I wish some of this weren't so. I was so taken by Christopher Jones who played Major Doryan in Ryan's Daughter. He's passed away now. He had Olivia Hussey with him during the filming in Ireland. But Sharon Tate got murdered during that time and Jones was quite infatuated by her while she was still married to Roman Polanski. He quit acting after that. That's what I found on the web anyway.

Olivia Hussey was married 3 times and has three children. Her daughter by her last and most lasting marriage to an Eisley, named India I think, is just as gorgeous as her mother.

I think Zeferelli may have made Brother Sun Sister Moon, not sure, one of my favorites.

So I'll find a way to watch that film in good time. Evidentally it was a 3-day tv miniseries I think. I don't remember seeing it before.

Take care and may Heaven watch over you, too.

253 posted on 04/08/2015 7:24:30 PM PDT by Aliska
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