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Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'
Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: Elsie
Not sure how it is possible, but this Mary thing is more idolatrous than I could have imagined!
1,261 posted on 12/13/2014 6:48:06 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: metmom

“”They just let someone else do the thinking for them and go for the group hug kind of mentality.””

More like a circle the wagons while drinking Papal Kool-Aid mentality


1,262 posted on 12/13/2014 6:52:18 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: metmom
I think when one is offered an opportunity to walk in the light, and instead hides the lamp, or, worse, has no oil for the lamp, and walks in the flesh rather than the Spirit, it is an indication something is wrong with one's alternative.

If one truly believes all Catholics who obey their faith are destined for hell, but does not tell the truth about where they assemble, it is hypocrisy. If one is really just trying to convince or reassure himself that the Catholic Church is completely wrong, but really does not care about his neighbor, then he will protest in anonymity, never risking his own affiliation for shame, doubt, uncertainty, or accountability. Anyone can form an assembly of protestors, until they split, and split.

Another case is the Catholic who has left the faith and is screaming inside to remove, as it were, an indelible mark. This case is not unique to former Catholics and indicates unresolved issues rather than the peace of the Holy Spirit.

Another case entirely are those who confess their affiliation while not holding faith in the Catholic Church as the correct manifestation of the holy catholic apostolic church. IIRC, individuals have confessed affiliation with Anglican, Nazarene, Orthodox, Reformed Baptist, Southern Baptist Convention, and Wesleyan. I don't think all these affiliations are reciprocal but I honor those who have the courage of conviction in their choice to confess them.

1,263 posted on 12/13/2014 7:06:01 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Gamecock
>>Not sure how it is possible, but this Mary thing is more idolatrous than I could have imagined!<<

I've been thinking the same thing. The depth of the depravity of the Catholic Church has been an eye opener to me.

1,264 posted on 12/13/2014 7:23:17 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Everytime I think just maybe I am mistaken I see something like that. Amazing.


1,265 posted on 12/13/2014 7:30:34 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom
>>I think when one is offered an opportunity to walk in the light, and instead hides the lamp, or, worse, has no oil for the lamp, and walks in the flesh rather than the Spirit, it is an indication something is wrong with one's alternative.<<

That's a fact. And Catholics had better take heed. The corruption of the words of God in Scripture by the Catholic Church has left those who follow her in the dark and truly walking after the flesh.

They want others to join their "church" yet even the very word "church" that they use is a total and complete corruption of the word "ekklesia" used in the New Testament to identify those who meet and have been "called out" by God. As the word church is used today it has no similarity or connection to the word "ekklesia" or the concept it portrays.

From their understanding of that corrupted word "church" and it's meaning today Catholics would have it that others identify with some form of that corrupted concept.

Not until people understand the concept and meaning of "ekklesia" used in the New Testament will they understand what the ekklesia of Christ really is.

1,266 posted on 12/13/2014 7:45:10 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: af_vet_1981

I have answered this often-demanded question previously on FR. Four or five times. My answered was ignored every time.

I don’t like your attitude or insinuations and deny your demand this particular time. Your accusations against me are mounting, though.

Take care when judging those you do not rightly comprehend.


1,267 posted on 12/13/2014 7:48:26 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: CynicalBear

Mark


1,268 posted on 12/13/2014 9:25:58 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom

metmom made the ONLY valid point: Beliefs are to be made against and in contrast to, and only to, the authority of the Scriptures, anything else is subject to false interpretation and human error.

What matters is what God and Jesus say matter, not what you, af_vet, think matters, nor what the Pope says matters, nor what any preacher says matters, save that it is found in the plain reading of the Word. Why? Because, “There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death;”....”for God’s thoughts are not our thoughts, neither are our ways God’s ways.”

Therefore, what could it possibly matter WHICH denomination someone may be or NOT be affiliated if they make their statements while standing upon the Word of God?

I don’t care WHAT denomination someone attends, if they haven’t accepted Christ as their personal Savior, GOD SAID they will NEVER enter into Heaven. Repentance and belief in Christ is the condition for salvation, not works, lest anyone should boast.

Now, if someone wants to remain a baby, drinking milk or baby formula until they die a physical death, they can attend any false church or formula feeding church they wish, while never having attained the fullness of Christ within their lives that God would have desired. Hebrews teaches us about those who want to stay babies. Hebrews also teaches us it is the mark of a ‘meat and potato’ Christian who allows the Holy Spirit to work in their life, with daily reading and study of the Word which causes spiritual maturity. As maturity occurs, the Holy Spirit will be able to better guide them as to what a believer should do or where a believer should attend church. Spiritual maturity is between God and the individual.

I can remain saved no matter what church I attend, but if one chooses to become spiritually mature, the believer will be prompted by the Holy Spirit to seek out those churches/pastors which teach the Word of God, from Genesis through Revelation, not just ‘topical’ subjects from the Word.


1,269 posted on 12/13/2014 9:30:32 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: MamaB

Hilarious!


1,270 posted on 12/13/2014 9:39:07 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Elsie

ty Elsie.


1,271 posted on 12/13/2014 9:39:48 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
metmom made the ONLY valid point: Beliefs are to be made against and in contrast to, and only to, the authority of the Scriptures, anything else is subject to false interpretation and human error.

As an exercise in consistency, and that you practice what you preach, I expect you to invite into your home anyone who knocks at your door and asks you to study the scriptures. You are not permitted to ask their religious affiliation. You are only permitted to pray with them that all of you will find truth in whatever translations you each prefer. Otherwise hypocrisy will be on the door posts of your home.

1,272 posted on 12/13/2014 9:41:04 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

That’s like Satan telling the Lord to throw himself off the cliff as God has promises His angels charge to care for Him lest even His foot strike a rock.

Any more jokes?


1,273 posted on 12/13/2014 9:44:17 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
I don’t care WHAT denomination someone attends, if they haven’t accepted Christ as their personal Savior, From where in the scriptures did you obtain the doctrine of a "personal Savior," or, honestly, did you obtain that doctrine from men of certain denominations ?
1,274 posted on 12/13/2014 10:09:10 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I’m glad you’re interested in growing spiritually and studying God’s Word.

Read the Gospel of John.

When you’re done, come back for your next instruction.


1,275 posted on 12/13/2014 10:12:32 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: af_vet_1981
If one truly believes all Catholics who obey their faith are destined for hell, but does not tell the truth about where they assemble, it is hypocrisy.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

Besides, I don't know that anyone here on FR has said that ALL Catholics are going to hell.

And how would it be hypocrisy to not tell what church they belong to? Unless of course, you are thinking that it's churches that save you. A very telling comment on your part.

If one is really just trying to convince or reassure himself that the Catholic Church is completely wrong, but really does not care about his neighbor, then he will protest in anonymity, never risking his own affiliation for shame, doubt, uncertainty, or accountability.

Who said the Catholic church is completely wrong? Why are you making blanket statements about fictional persons who don't exist and passing them off as fact?

And again, it's not a matter of comparing one religion to another but comparing a church's teaching to Scripture and Scripture stands alone on its own, without denominational affiliation.

1,276 posted on 12/13/2014 10:44:59 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; nicmarlo

Catholicism is such a religion of control freaks.

If people don’t do it their way, they stand condemned.

And who are you to make demands on someone else and who are you that you seem to feel that people are answerable to you?

Neither you nor your church have any claims of authority on ANYONE outside of it.

IOW, go pound sand.


1,277 posted on 12/13/2014 10:49:05 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

“Saying *mother of my Lord* does NOT mean *mother of God*.”

The Lord is God. God is the Lord. Remember, plenty of Protestants admit this.

“Elisabeth confessed faith already in the person of Jesus, for she noted that Mary bore the God-man (mother of my Lord).” Footnote in The Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible.

“Making something more vague does not make it clearer.”

Take that to heart because you’re the one doing it.

“Saying *mother of God* only leads to more opportunity for error.”

Actually, no. There is no error in it or connected with it. There is only error in rejecting it because when you reject it you are denying that Christ is God.


1,278 posted on 12/13/2014 11:15:24 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Elsie

“Oh; me too!”

And that just confirms what Newman said.

“You are SO right!”

I am right. Get used to it.


1,279 posted on 12/13/2014 11:16:27 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
I'll stick with agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what He inspired in Scripture: *Mary, the mother of Jesus*.

That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.

The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

1,280 posted on 12/13/2014 11:16:29 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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