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In Times Like These You Need a Savior – A Homily for the First Sunday of Advent
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 11-30-14 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/30/2014 7:45:31 AM PST by Salvation

In Times Like These You Need a Savior – A Homily for the First Sunday of Advent

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

Isaiah Holy Card

The Gospel today surely announces a critical Advent theme: Watch! And while I want to comment primarily on the reading from Isaiah, the Gospel admonition certainly deserves some attention as well.

For it is too often the case that many today hold the unbiblical notion that most, if not all, are going to Heaven. But for many weeks now we have been reading parables in the gospels wherein the Lord Jesus warns us that some (perhaps many and possibly even most) are not heading for Heaven. There are wise and foolish virgins, industrious and lazy servants, sheep and goats; and today there are those who keep watch and those who do not.

And though many today like to brush aside the teachings on judgment or the teachings that some are lost, to those who do so and to all of us, Jesus says, Watch! In other words, watch out; be serious, sober, and prepared for death and judgment. Realize that your choices are leading somewhere.

Some have tried to tame and domesticate Jesus, but it is not the fake, reinvented Jesus that they will meet; it is the real Jesus, the Jesus who warns repeatedly of the reality of judgment and the strong possibility of Hell. At the beginning of Advent we do well to heed Jesus’ admonition and realize our need to be saved.

And that leads to the first reading from Isaiah, which rather thoroughly sets forth our need for a savior. Isaiah distinguishes five ailments which beset us, and from which we need rescue. We are drifting, demanding, depraved, disaffected, and depressed. But in the end, Isaiah reminds us of our dignity. Let’s look at each in turn.

1. Drifting – The text says, Why [O Lord] do you let us wander from your ways, and harden our hearts so that we fear you not? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes of your heritage.

It is a common human tendency to wander or drift. It is a rarer thing for people to reject God all of a sudden, especially if they were raised with some faith. Rather, what usually happens is that we just drift away, wander off course. It is like the captain or pilot of a boat who stops paying close attention. Soon enough the boat is farther and farther off course. At first things are not noticed, but the cumulative effect is that the boat is now headed in the wrong direction. He did not suddenly turn the helm and shift 180 degrees, he just stopped paying attention and drifted … and then drifted some more.

And so it is with some of us who may wonder how we got so far off course. I talk with many people who have left the Church and so many of them cannot point to an incident or moment when they walked out of Church and said, “I’ll never come back here.” It is usually just that they drifted away, fell away from the practice of the faith. They missed a Sunday here or there and, little by little, missing Mass became the norm. Maybe they moved to a new city and never got around to finding a parish. They just got disconnected and drifted.

The funny thing about drifting is that the farther off course you get, the harder it is to get back. It just seems increasingly monumental to make the changes necessary to get back on track. Thus Isaiah speaks of the heart of a drifter becoming hardened. Our bad habits become “hard” to break, and as God seems more and more distant to us, we lose our holy fear and reverence for Him.

It is interesting how, in taking up our voice, Isaiah, “blames” God for it all. Somehow it is “His fault” for letting us wander, because He let us do it.

It is true that God has made us free and that He is very serious about respecting our freedom. How else could we love God, if we were not free? Compelled love is not love at all.

But what Isaiah is really getting at is that some of us are so far afield, so lost, that only God can find us and save us. And so we must depend on God being like a shepherd who seeks his lost sheep.

Thus, here is the first way that Isaiah sets forth our need for a Savior. And so, in Advent, reflecting this way, the Church cries out, “Come, Emmanuel! Come, Lord Jesus! Seek and find us for many of us are drifting.”

2. Demanding - The text says, Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down, with the mountains quaking before you, while you wrought awesome deeds we could not hope for, such as they had not heard of from of old. No ear has ever heard, no eye ever seen, any God but you doing such deeds for those who wait for him.

There is a human tendency to demand signs and wonders. Our flesh demands to see. And when we do not see in a physical way, we are dismissive, even scoffing.

This inclination has reached a peak in our modern times, when so many reject faith because it does not meet the demands of empirical science and a materialistic age. If something is not physical and measurable by some human instrument, many reject its very existence. Never mind that many things that are very real (e.g., justice, fear) cannot be measured on a scale. What most moderns are really about doing is more specific: rejecting God and the demands of faith. “Since we cannot see Him with our eyes, He is not there and thus we may do as we please.”

Isaiah gives voice to the human demand to see on our own terms. We first demand signs and wonders; then we will believe. It is almost as though we are saying to God, “Force me to believe in you,” or “Make everything so certain that I don’t really have to walk by faith.”

Many of us look back to the miracles of the Scriptures and think, “If I saw that, I would believe.” But faith is not so simple. For many who did see miracles (e.g., the Hebrew people in the desert), they saw but still gave way to doubt. Many who saw Jesus work miracles fled at the first sign of trouble or when He said something that displeased them.

Our flesh demands to see. But, in the end, even after seeing it usually refuses to believe.

Further, God does not usually do the “biggie-wow” things to overwhelm us. Satan does overwhelm us. But God is a quiet and persistent lover, who works in us respectfully and delicately—if we let him. It is Satan who roars at us with temptation, fear, and sheer volume, so that we are distracted and confused. God more often is that still, small voice speaking from the depth of our heart.

Thus the Lord, speaking through Isaiah, warns us of this second ailment: the demand for signs and wonders. Our rebellious flesh pouts and draws back in resentful rebellion.

Thus we need a Savior to give us new hearts and minds, attuned to the small, still voice of God in a strident world. And so in Advent, reflecting thus, the Church cries out, “Come, Emmanuel. Come, Lord Jesus! Calm our souls and let us find you in the small, daily things.”

3. Depraved - The text says, Would that you might meet us doing right, that we were mindful of you in our ways! Behold, you are angry, and we are sinful; all of us have become like unclean people.

The word depraved comes from the Latin pravitas, meaning crooked or deformed. It means to be lacking what we ought to have. Hence, the Lord, through Isaiah, describes our deformed state in the following ways. We are

A. Unthinking - The text says that we are “unmindful” of God. Indeed our minds are very weak and we can go for long periods so turned in on ourselves that we barely, if ever, think of God. Our thoughts are wholly focused on things that are passing, and almost wholly forgetful of God and Heaven, which remain forever. It is so easy for our senseless minds to be darkened. Our culture too has “kicked God to the curb” and thus there are even fewer reminders of Him than in previous generations. We desperately need God to save us and to give us new minds. Come, Lord Jesus!

B. Unhappy – The text says of God, you are angry. But, we need to remember that the “wrath of God” is more in us than in God. God’s anger is His passion to set things right. But God is not moody or prone to egotistical rage. More often than not, it is we who project our own unhappiness and anger on God. The “Wrath of God” is our experience of the total incompatibility of our sinful state before the holiness of God. God does not lose His temper or fly into a rage; He does not lose His serenity. It is we who are unhappy, angry, egotistical, scornful, etc. We need God to give us new hearts. Come, Lord Jesus!

C. Undistinguished – The text says, we are sinful; all of us have become like unclean people. We are called to be holy, that is, “set apart” and distinguished from the sinful world around us. But too often we are indistinguishable. We do not shine forth like lights in the darkness; we seem little different than the pagan world around us. We divorce, fornicate, fail to forgive, support contraception and abortion, fail the poor, etc., in numbers akin to secular people, who do not know God. We do not seem joyful, serene, or alive. We look just like “everybody else.” Our main goal seems to be to “fit in.” Save us, O Lord, from our mediocrity and fear. Come, Lord Jesus!

4. Disaffected - The text says, There is none who calls upon your name, who rouses himself to cling to you; for you have hidden your face from us and have delivered us up to our guilt.

In other words we, collectively speaking, have no passion for God. We get all worked up about politics, sports, the lottery, TV shows, etc. But when it comes to God, many can barely rouse themselves enough to pray, go to Church, or read Scripture. We find time for everything else, but God can wait.

Here, too, Isaiah gives voice to the human tendency to blame God. He says (i.e., we say) God has hidden his face. But God has not moved. If you can’t see God, guess who turned away? If you’re not as close to God as you used to be, guess who moved?

Our hearts and our priorities are messed up. We need a savior to give us new hearts, greater love, and better priorities and desires. Come, Lord Jesus!

5. Depressed - The text says, All our good deeds are like polluted rags; we have all withered like leaves, and our guilt carries us away like the wind.

One of the definitions of depression is anger turned inward. And while Isaiah has given voice to our tendency to direct anger and blame at God, here he gives voice to our other tendency: to turn on ourselves.

Thus, our good deeds are described as being like polluted rags. It may be true that they are less than they could be, but calling them polluted rags also expresses our own frustration with our seemingly hopeless situation: our addiction to sin and injustice.

Ultimately, the devil wants us to diminish what little good we can find in ourselves and to lock us into a depressed and angry state. If there is no good in us at all, then why bother?

There is such a thing as unhealthy guilt (cf 2 Cor 7:10-11) and a self-loathing that is not of God, but from the devil, our accuser. It may well be this that Isaiah articulates here. And from such depressed self-loathing (masquerading as piety) we need a savior. Come, Lord Jesus!

And so the cry has gone up: Come, Lord Jesus. Save us, Savior of the world! We need a savior and Advent is a time to meditate on that need.

Isaiah ends on a final note and key of the song shifts from D Minor to D Major. And that final note is our

6. Dignity - The text says, Yet, O LORD, you are our father; we are the clay and you the potter: we are all the work of your hands.

Yes, we are a mess, but a loveable mess. And God has so loved us that He sent His Son, who is not ashamed to call us His brethren.

We are not forsaken, and in Advent we call upon a Father who loves us. And our cry, Come, Lord Jesus is heard and heeded by the Father, who loves us and is fashioning us into His very image. God is able and He will fix us and fashion us well. Help is on the way!

Here’s a magnificent Advent hymn that expresses so beautifully the longing of the Church for her savior to come. The second verse says,

Zion hears the watchmen shouting,
Her hearts leaps up with joy undoubting!
She stands and waits with eager eyes.
See! Her Love from heaven descending,
Adorned with grace and truth unending.
Her light burns clear her star doth rise!

Now come our precious Crown,
Lord Jesus, God’s own Son
Hosanna!



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For it is too often the case that many today hold the unbiblical notion that most, if not all, are going to Heaven.

WATCH!

1 posted on 11/30/2014 7:45:32 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 11/30/2014 7:46:45 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“... In times like these ...”

Really .. ?? What about the times when you feel safe and everything is going great in your life .. do you need a Savior then ..??

Actually, the “safe” times are when you need a Savior most .. why ..?? Because those are the times you study and read God’s words of care and concern about you as a person; it’s those times of quiet reflection you can acquire a deep devotion and affection for the Lord. It’s at those safe and quiet times that you store up the words like God’s promise of, “... I’ll never leave you or forsake you.”

Then, when the difficult times come, you have a storehouse full of God’s words to sustain you.


3 posted on 11/30/2014 8:08:11 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: Salvation
For it is too often the case that many today hold the unbiblical notion that most, if not all, are going to Heaven.
WATCH!

I find it odd that any Protestant thinks that Jesus' death and suffering saves everyone, past, present and future, no matter what.
Aren't people supposed to NOT COMMIT those same sins? At least try?

If they KNOW, that no matter what sins they have committed, that they are going to heaven, then WHY be good? Why try at all? Are there no consequences? No payment for our sins?
One person said to me: "Well, it good to be good because it's good."

Odd logic. Mortal sin is mortal sin. The sinner HAS to confess...but for Protestants all they have to do is say: "Sorry, Lord" and ALL their sins, large and small, past, present and future, are forgiven. WAY too easy. Why would they even try to not sin any more if they KNOW that WHATEVER they do, they will be forgiven and go to heaven?

Apologizing is one thing, for sure, but then, there is ATONEMENT for those sins. I wonder if people know that in their hearts.
What form of ATONEMENT do they think there is?

There IS a hell. If all the sinners' sins are forgiven, past, present and future, then why would any Protestant even bother to TRY to be good? If they KNOW that there is no hell for them, then what's the use of even having a hell? Heck, since Jesus forgives all sins, let's party. I'll say "SORRY" tomorrow morning when I'm sober...and I know that all is forgiven. And we'll party, fight and fornicate all over again. I'll say SORRY the following morning and we'll do it ALL OVER AGAIN. "Hey, I'm SAVED."

I guess I just don't understand the non-Catholic logic of sin, contrition, no confession, no punishment, no atonement and no annoying absolutes.
There IS a difference between punishment and atonement.

4 posted on 11/30/2014 8:10:30 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation
The hymn in the video is very nicely done. It reminded me of the choir-singing competition in an episode of Midsomer Murders.
5 posted on 11/30/2014 8:17:36 AM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: CyberAnt

We need to watch at all times, just as you say.


6 posted on 11/30/2014 8:27:32 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick

I can’t seem to get the url for the video. Everyone please click on the source at the top to reach it.


7 posted on 11/30/2014 8:31:11 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain

You wrote a lot here that isn’t true, about people who believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior.

For one thing, the Bible says in the New Testament that God’s grace isn’t a license to sin. Have you read the whole Bible, in particular the New Testament?

And for another, for a Christian whose heart has really been changed and they have been spiritually reborn, doing right should go beyond mere fear of punishment to WANTING passionately to do right out of love for God and grief over sin. A real Christian will understand that the way of true love, joy and peace is to be honest rather than to be a thief, no matter how much a thief might steal and get away with it. And that is the point of Christianity - that people no longer do right because it’s forced upon them by God though it’s often against their will, but their hearts are changed so their will truly agrees with God’s.


8 posted on 11/30/2014 8:41:28 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

**so their will truly agrees with God’s.**

Not always.

There are always cheaters, adulterers, porn addicts, money users , liars who commit sin and don’t realize it.

OSAS is a false thing because we all are sinners. Even posting lies. It happens all the time when Christ gave the Catholic Church and the Apostles the TRUTH.


9 posted on 11/30/2014 8:49:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The Catholic understanding of “once saved always saved” is wrong on many accounts, simplifying it, and ignoring how it relates to the rest of Scripture. So, do you believe that evangelicals have evil hearts, that abuse God’s grace, scoffing at Him giving His Son as a sacrifice for their sin, and not caring if they sin or not, since “it’s covered”?


10 posted on 11/30/2014 9:18:45 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On
You wrote a lot here that isn’t true, about people who believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior. For one thing, the Bible says in the New Testament that God’s grace isn’t a license to sin. Have you read the whole Bible, in particular the New Testament? And for another, for a Christian whose heart has really been changed and they have been spiritually reborn, doing right should go beyond mere fear of punishment to WANTING passionately to do right out of love for God and grief over sin. A real Christian will understand that the way of true love, joy and peace is to be honest rather than to be a thief, no matter how much a thief might steal and get away with it. And that is the point of Christianity - that people no longer do right because it’s forced upon them by God though it’s often against their will, but their hearts are changed so their will truly agrees with God’s.

God bless and keep you and yours.

11 posted on 11/30/2014 9:21:04 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I will say the same to you.


12 posted on 11/30/2014 9:23:00 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Salvation
Not always.
There are always cheaters, adulterers, porn addicts, money users , liars who commit sin and don’t realize it.
OSAS is a false thing because we all are sinners. Even posting lies. It happens all the time when Christ gave the Catholic Church and the Apostles the TRUTH.

Lol. NOW the excuses begin.
Well..... it's not ALWAYS true. Caveat emptor.

Isn't it ODD that we are considered wrong when Protestantism didn't come along until the the 16th century? How DID the Catholic Church ever manage to survive AND thrive for 1,500 years without'em?

AND, the gainsayer was the PRIEST, FATHER MARTIN LUTHER?
One Protestant DID say: We aren't protesting anymore.
Well, some are here, against every fiber of the 2000-year-old Catholic Church. It's odd. WHY would they care?
But they DO care, very, very much. I think they "protest too much."

Wikipedia: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a quotation from the 1602 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.
It has been used as a figure of speech, in various phrasings, to indicate that a person's overly frequent or vehement attempts to convince others of something have ironically helped to convince others that the opposite is true, by making the person look insincere and defensive.

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Boy, did Shakespeare nail it or what?

13 posted on 11/30/2014 9:34:20 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation
For it is too often the case that many today hold the unbiblical notion that most, if not all, are going to Heaven.

WATCH!

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"In Times Like These"
by Ruth Caye Jones

Verse 1:

In times like these, you need a Savior,
In times like these, you need an anchor;
Be very sure, be very sure,
Your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock!

CHORUS:

The Rock is Jesus, Yes, He’s the One,
The Rock is Jesus, The only One
Be very sure, be very sure, Your anchor holds,
And grips the Solid Rock.

Verse :

In times like these, you need the Bible,
In times like these, O be not idle!
Be very sure, be very sure,
Your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.


Verse 3:

In times like these, I have a Savior,
In times like these, I have an anchor,
I’m very sure, I’m very sure,
My anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.

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"In Times Like These" (click here)

By Steve Crain
Sunday, January 11, 2009

(excerpt)

Ruth Caye Jones, known as "Mother Jones," reportedly found inspiration to write "In Times Like These" during World War II when she was moved by reading the words of 2 Timothy 3:1: “This know also that in the last days perilous times will come.” As she read those words, inspiration for the song came, and she jotted lyrics on a small notepad she had in her apron pocket.

As the mother of five children and wife of a busy pastor (a Church of the Nazarene pastor, I believe), Jones’ life was full. She never aspired to do something “great” or “famous” and had no formal music training. But God took her song and sent it around the world to bless many. When Jones watched George Beverly Shea sing her song on a Billy Graham telecast, tears came to her eyes and she said, “I can’t believe I had any part in writing this song. I just feel that God gave it to me, and I gave it to the world.” She had written 15 other songs, but "In Times Like These" became her best known.

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Jones wrote her acclaimed hymn during stressful World War II days, and her message remains timeless.

The first verse of "In Times Like These" affirms our need for Jesus as Savior. Without Jesus, we’ll find no safe harbor from fears, worries and “the times we live in.” Jesus, “the Cornerstone,” is our Solid Rock. As hymn writer Edward Mote wrote, "On Christ the Solid Rock I stand. All other ground is sinking sand."

In her song, Jones says to “be very sure your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.” Is your faith placed totally in Christ’s death and resurrection? Are you mistakenly trusting in your good deeds to try to get into heaven or wrongfully adding your “works” to what Christ has done for you? Even older Christians need to recall these words (from the song “Rock of Ages”) penned by Augustus Montague Toplady (1740-1778): "Not the labors of my hands / Can fulfill Thy Law’s demands / Could my zeal no respite know / Could my tears forever flow / All for sin could not atone / Thou must save, and Thou alone / In my hand no price I bring / Simply to Thy Cross I cling."

The second verse of “In Times Like These” points to God’s written revelation to us: "In times like these you need the Bible."

Jesus said, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4).

"Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" (Psalm 119:105).

Jones also tells us, "In times like these, O be not idle." Jesus said, "I must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; the night cometh, when no man can work" (John 9:4).

When hearing news of wars and troubles, I find comfort in affirming the words found in the last verse of Ruth Caye Jones’ famous song: "In times like these I have a Savior / In times like these I have an anchor / I’m very sure, I’m very sure / My anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock!"

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"And so, after he (Abraham) had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them
an end of all strife.
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise
the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,
we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge
to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast,
and which entereth into that within the veil;
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made
an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec" (Heb. 6:15-20 AV)

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me" (Isaiah 45:21 AV)

"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen" (Jude 1:25 AV)

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Sola Scriptura, sole fide, soli Deo Salvatori nostro

14 posted on 11/30/2014 9:37:43 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Faith Presses On
I will say the same to you.

You will? WHEN?
You don't have to. I KNOW you mean well. :o)

15 posted on 11/30/2014 9:37:56 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

**Isn’t it ODD that we are considered wrong when Protestantism didn’t come along until the the 16th century? How DID the Catholic Church ever manage to survive AND thrive for 1,500 years without’em?**

LOL! But the Catholic Church flourished in those first 1500 years! Wowsies!


16 posted on 11/30/2014 9:48:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: imardmd1
**Steve Crain**

**Ruth Caye Jones**

No thanks, I will take Christ's word over these mere men and women.

17 posted on 11/30/2014 9:51:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain

I did say it.

“I will say >> the same to you.”

It would have been more clear and also correct to place a comma there, but if “f you” would have been involved, would the lack of a comma have been as troubling?


18 posted on 11/30/2014 10:02:07 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Salvation
LOL! But the Catholic Church flourished in those first 1500 years! Wowsies!

YES! Jesus said it would, without the help of protesting monks and their progeny, that "progeny" being Protestants and their 40,000 different denominations. [Google it. It's what Protestant say about themselves.]

OOooo, am I gonna catch it for mentioning, YET AGAIN, that tiny little detail about non-Catholic Christians. There IS a list of Protestant denominations on the Internet. Check it out.

Here the Roman Catholic Church has been UNITING its denominations throughout the world (Orthodox, etc.) for the last fifty years and Protestants are breaking apart.
I can envision 40,000 MORE different denominations in the next 1,000 years.

Leaders, besides the likes of folks like Dr. EEEEeeeeugen Scott, would be helpful. Synods, Councils and discussions of dogma and moral absolutes would be helpful.

Well, maybe not. Maybe there would just too much argument over what denominations believe...and would split them up even more and sooner.
They [Protestants] SURE would keep the right to divorce-remarry-divorce-remarry-divorce-remarry, much like Henry VIII. Ah, the quest for the "perfect" mate.

Speaking of searching for the "perfect mate."

Elizabeth Taylor was proud to say that she slept ONLY with her husbands.

1 Conrad 'Nicky' Hilton (1950-1951)
Her first marriage, to one of the heirs of the hotelier Conrad Hilton, ended in divorce after less than a year.

2 Michael Wilding (1952-1957)
Marriage number two, to the British film actor, lasted a full five years and gave Taylor two sons, Michael and Christopher.

3 Michael Todd (1957-1958)
Taylor was already pregnant with Todd's daughter, Liza, when they married - but Todd died in a plane crash barely a year later.

4 Eddie Fisher (1959-1964)
Eyebrows raised in Hollywood when Fisher, a singer, divorced the actress Debbie Reynolds to marry Taylor - his best friend's widow.
I remember Debbie Reynold's remark when she divorced shoe magnate Harry Karl: "That's shoe-biz." Lol.

5 Richard Burton (1964-1974 and 1975-1976)
Widely regarded as the tempestuous love of Taylor's life, Burton married (and divorced) her twice - they adopted a daughter, Maria.

6 John Warner (1976-1982)
Taylor went from movie star to politician with her sixth husband, a Republican senator.

7 Larry Fortensky (1991-1996)
Fortensky, a construction worker, became Taylor's seventh and final husband.

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NOTHING and NO ONE perfect except God.

19 posted on 11/30/2014 10:21:03 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation
No thanks, I will take Christ's word over these mere men and women.

They are not pretending that their words are inspired. But they are demonstrating a clear understanding and ability to apply what the inerrant, verbally plenary inspired Bible, authored and personified by Christ, says about salvation, justification, and sanctification.

Msgr. Charles Pope thinks he does, eh? Or are you also saying that you are not subscribing to the words of Msgr. Pope, either? The ones that you have pinged to others? The words of another fallible man?

Gee whiz, who gave you the red pencil on what the Bible says? And the attitude of ignoring legitimate expansion of the theme "In Times Like These, You Need A Savior," with godly counsel?

20 posted on 11/30/2014 10:51:17 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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