Posted on 11/30/2014 7:45:31 AM PST by Salvation
WATCH!
Monsignor Pope Ping!
“... In times like these ...”
Really .. ?? What about the times when you feel safe and everything is going great in your life .. do you need a Savior then ..??
Actually, the “safe” times are when you need a Savior most .. why ..?? Because those are the times you study and read God’s words of care and concern about you as a person; it’s those times of quiet reflection you can acquire a deep devotion and affection for the Lord. It’s at those safe and quiet times that you store up the words like God’s promise of, “... I’ll never leave you or forsake you.”
Then, when the difficult times come, you have a storehouse full of God’s words to sustain you.
I find it odd that any Protestant thinks that Jesus' death and suffering saves everyone, past, present and future, no matter what.
Aren't people supposed to NOT COMMIT those same sins? At least try?
If they KNOW, that no matter what sins they have committed, that they are going to heaven, then WHY be good? Why try at all? Are there no consequences? No payment for our sins?
One person said to me: "Well, it good to be good because it's good."
Odd logic. Mortal sin is mortal sin. The sinner HAS to confess...but for Protestants all they have to do is say: "Sorry, Lord" and ALL their sins, large and small, past, present and future, are forgiven. WAY too easy. Why would they even try to not sin any more if they KNOW that WHATEVER they do, they will be forgiven and go to heaven?
Apologizing is one thing, for sure, but then, there is ATONEMENT for those sins. I wonder if people know that in their hearts.
What form of ATONEMENT do they think there is?
There IS a hell. If all the sinners' sins are forgiven, past, present and future, then why would any Protestant even bother to TRY to be good? If they KNOW that there is no hell for them, then what's the use of even having a hell? Heck, since Jesus forgives all sins, let's party. I'll say "SORRY" tomorrow morning when I'm sober...and I know that all is forgiven. And we'll party, fight and fornicate all over again. I'll say SORRY the following morning and we'll do it ALL OVER AGAIN. "Hey, I'm SAVED."
I guess I just don't understand the non-Catholic logic of sin, contrition, no confession, no punishment, no atonement and no annoying absolutes.
There IS a difference between punishment and atonement.
We need to watch at all times, just as you say.
I can’t seem to get the url for the video. Everyone please click on the source at the top to reach it.
You wrote a lot here that isn’t true, about people who believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior.
For one thing, the Bible says in the New Testament that God’s grace isn’t a license to sin. Have you read the whole Bible, in particular the New Testament?
And for another, for a Christian whose heart has really been changed and they have been spiritually reborn, doing right should go beyond mere fear of punishment to WANTING passionately to do right out of love for God and grief over sin. A real Christian will understand that the way of true love, joy and peace is to be honest rather than to be a thief, no matter how much a thief might steal and get away with it. And that is the point of Christianity - that people no longer do right because it’s forced upon them by God though it’s often against their will, but their hearts are changed so their will truly agrees with God’s.
**so their will truly agrees with God’s.**
Not always.
There are always cheaters, adulterers, porn addicts, money users , liars who commit sin and don’t realize it.
OSAS is a false thing because we all are sinners. Even posting lies. It happens all the time when Christ gave the Catholic Church and the Apostles the TRUTH.
The Catholic understanding of “once saved always saved” is wrong on many accounts, simplifying it, and ignoring how it relates to the rest of Scripture. So, do you believe that evangelicals have evil hearts, that abuse God’s grace, scoffing at Him giving His Son as a sacrifice for their sin, and not caring if they sin or not, since “it’s covered”?
God bless and keep you and yours.
I will say the same to you.
Lol. NOW the excuses begin.
Well..... it's not ALWAYS true. Caveat emptor.
Isn't it ODD that we are considered wrong when Protestantism didn't come along until the the 16th century? How DID the Catholic Church ever manage to survive AND thrive for 1,500 years without'em?
AND, the gainsayer was the PRIEST, FATHER MARTIN LUTHER?
One Protestant DID say: We aren't protesting anymore.
Well, some are here, against every fiber of the 2000-year-old Catholic Church. It's odd. WHY would they care?
But they DO care, very, very much. I think they "protest too much."
Wikipedia: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a quotation from the 1602 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.
It has been used as a figure of speech, in various phrasings, to indicate that a person's overly frequent or vehement attempts to convince others of something have ironically helped to convince others that the opposite is true, by making the person look insincere and defensive.
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Boy, did Shakespeare nail it or what?
WATCH!
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"In Times Like These"
by Ruth Caye Jones
Verse 1:
In times like these, you need a Savior,
In times like these, you need an anchor;
Be very sure, be very sure,
Your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock!
CHORUS:
The Rock is Jesus, Yes, He’s the One,
The Rock is Jesus, The only One
Be very sure, be very sure, Your anchor holds,
And grips the Solid Rock.
Verse :
In times like these, you need the Bible,
In times like these, O be not idle!
Be very sure, be very sure,
Your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.
Verse 3:
In times like these, I have a Savior,
In times like these, I have an anchor,
I’m very sure, I’m very sure,
My anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.
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"In Times Like These" (click here)
By Steve Crain
Sunday, January 11, 2009
(excerpt)
Ruth Caye Jones, known as "Mother Jones," reportedly found inspiration to write "In Times Like These" during World War II when she was moved by reading the words of 2 Timothy 3:1: “This know also that in the last days perilous times will come.” As she read those words, inspiration for the song came, and she jotted lyrics on a small notepad she had in her apron pocket.
As the mother of five children and wife of a busy pastor (a Church of the Nazarene pastor, I believe), Jones’ life was full. She never aspired to do something “great” or “famous” and had no formal music training. But God took her song and sent it around the world to bless many. When Jones watched George Beverly Shea sing her song on a Billy Graham telecast, tears came to her eyes and she said, “I can’t believe I had any part in writing this song. I just feel that God gave it to me, and I gave it to the world.” She had written 15 other songs, but "In Times Like These" became her best known.
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Jones wrote her acclaimed hymn during stressful World War II days, and her message remains timeless.
The first verse of "In Times Like These" affirms our need for Jesus as Savior. Without Jesus, we’ll find no safe harbor from fears, worries and “the times we live in.” Jesus, “the Cornerstone,” is our Solid Rock. As hymn writer Edward Mote wrote, "On Christ the Solid Rock I stand. All other ground is sinking sand."
In her song, Jones says to “be very sure your anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock.” Is your faith placed totally in Christ’s death and resurrection? Are you mistakenly trusting in your good deeds to try to get into heaven or wrongfully adding your “works” to what Christ has done for you? Even older Christians need to recall these words (from the song “Rock of Ages”) penned by Augustus Montague Toplady (1740-1778): "Not the labors of my hands / Can fulfill Thy Law’s demands / Could my zeal no respite know / Could my tears forever flow / All for sin could not atone / Thou must save, and Thou alone / In my hand no price I bring / Simply to Thy Cross I cling."
The second verse of “In Times Like These” points to God’s written revelation to us: "In times like these you need the Bible."
Jesus said, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4).
"Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" (Psalm 119:105).
Jones also tells us, "In times like these, O be not idle." Jesus said, "I must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; the night cometh, when no man can work" (John 9:4).
When hearing news of wars and troubles, I find comfort in affirming the words found in the last verse of Ruth Caye Jones’ famous song: "In times like these I have a Savior / In times like these I have an anchor / I’m very sure, I’m very sure / My anchor holds and grips the Solid Rock!"
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"And so, after he (Abraham) had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them
an end of all strife.
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise
the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,
we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge
to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast,
and which entereth into that within the veil;
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made
an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec" (Heb. 6:15-20 AV)
"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me" (Isaiah 45:21 AV)
"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen" (Jude 1:25 AV)
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Sola Scriptura, sole fide, soli Deo Salvatori nostro
You will? WHEN?
You don't have to. I KNOW you mean well. :o)
**Isn’t it ODD that we are considered wrong when Protestantism didn’t come along until the the 16th century? How DID the Catholic Church ever manage to survive AND thrive for 1,500 years without’em?**
LOL! But the Catholic Church flourished in those first 1500 years! Wowsies!
**Ruth Caye Jones**
No thanks, I will take Christ's word over these mere men and women.
I did say it.
“I will say >> the same to you.”
It would have been more clear and also correct to place a comma there, but if “f you” would have been involved, would the lack of a comma have been as troubling?
YES! Jesus said it would, without the help of protesting monks and their progeny, that "progeny" being Protestants and their 40,000 different denominations. [Google it. It's what Protestant say about themselves.]
OOooo, am I gonna catch it for mentioning, YET AGAIN, that tiny little detail about non-Catholic Christians. There IS a list of Protestant denominations on the Internet. Check it out.
Here the Roman Catholic Church has been UNITING its denominations throughout the world (Orthodox, etc.) for the last fifty years and Protestants are breaking apart.
I can envision 40,000 MORE different denominations in the next 1,000 years.
Leaders, besides the likes of folks like Dr. EEEEeeeeugen Scott, would be helpful. Synods, Councils and discussions of dogma and moral absolutes would be helpful.
Well, maybe not. Maybe there would just too much argument over what denominations believe...and would split them up even more and sooner.
They [Protestants] SURE would keep the right to divorce-remarry-divorce-remarry-divorce-remarry, much like Henry VIII. Ah, the quest for the "perfect" mate.
Speaking of searching for the "perfect mate."
Elizabeth Taylor was proud to say that she slept ONLY with her husbands.
1 Conrad 'Nicky' Hilton (1950-1951)
Her first marriage, to one of the heirs of the hotelier Conrad Hilton, ended in divorce after less than a year.
2 Michael Wilding (1952-1957)
Marriage number two, to the British film actor, lasted a full five years and gave Taylor two sons, Michael and Christopher.
3 Michael Todd (1957-1958)
Taylor was already pregnant with Todd's daughter, Liza, when they married - but Todd died in a plane crash barely a year later.
4 Eddie Fisher (1959-1964)
Eyebrows raised in Hollywood when Fisher, a singer, divorced the actress Debbie Reynolds to marry Taylor - his best friend's widow.
I remember Debbie Reynold's remark when she divorced shoe magnate Harry Karl: "That's shoe-biz." Lol.
5 Richard Burton (1964-1974 and 1975-1976)
Widely regarded as the tempestuous love of Taylor's life, Burton married (and divorced) her twice - they adopted a daughter, Maria.
6 John Warner (1976-1982)
Taylor went from movie star to politician with her sixth husband, a Republican senator.
7 Larry Fortensky (1991-1996)
Fortensky, a construction worker, became Taylor's seventh and final husband.
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NOTHING and NO ONE perfect except God.
They are not pretending that their words are inspired. But they are demonstrating a clear understanding and ability to apply what the inerrant, verbally plenary inspired Bible, authored and personified by Christ, says about salvation, justification, and sanctification.
Msgr. Charles Pope thinks he does, eh? Or are you also saying that you are not subscribing to the words of Msgr. Pope, either? The ones that you have pinged to others? The words of another fallible man?
Gee whiz, who gave you the red pencil on what the Bible says? And the attitude of ignoring legitimate expansion of the theme "In Times Like These, You Need A Savior," with godly counsel?
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