Posted on 11/29/2014 4:30:23 PM PST by BlatherNaut
...”Which Lutherans... the Evangelical Lutherans or the Progressive Lutherans?”.....
Won’t make any difference to the Catholic Leadership for the agenda and priority is for the Pope to lead in uniting “ALL” Christians to a Global Church ,regardless of church affiliation, with the catholic church primarily the lead. Though all others will have representation once they are set.
The catholic church will have a major place as the Globalists community wants the use of their revenues....and their influence with the membership worldwide to accept Global Governance over all.
I dont doubt we are moving toward the prophesied one world religion. I just expressed skepticism that the LCMS would seriously consider joining Rome. As the one world religion forms and becomes increasingly apostate, I don’t expect the LCMS will play along, at least at first.
I think the osteen/warren bunch and the pope will lead the way. I expect those of us who do not play along will be labeled as not true christians, bigoted, etc and will be persecuted for it
I don’t think it will be about “Joining” with Rome as much as ‘uniting’ with common issues facing the world which is thus far what the Pope is using to bring this unity.
It’s really quite deceptive because whatever issues the Pope might use to focus on, any who decline will appear to be opposed to the issue itself. An example would be abortion, so if you don’t stand with them then it will look like you’re not taking a stand....or worse opposing.
The Catholic Church’s agenda is a Global Church where they will take the lead....even if other denominations are included by representation.
All of this “Movement” will be with more of the sign’s and wonders being exhibited and pushed now in all the churches. ...including the catholic church.
This will also be a political machine....though as usual for the catholic church, behind the scenes. Either way it will have power...and that not of God.
“If it happens the LCMS will cease to exist.”
But the Church would be healed of one of its wounds. It doesn’t matter if the LCMS would cease to exist in itself. It’s 170 years old; barely a blip on the radar of Church history and essentially of no importance in itself.
“I’m not afraid. I have Christ on my side and will fearlessly stand for truth. A good lesson from Luther”
I wish Luther had followed that lesson.
“Not the first time you have asserted this without proof.”
It’s true none the less.
“So LCMS leadership hasn’t told its membership about secret meetings at the Vatican because Mom MD finds it hard to believe?”
No, because most LCMS members would find it “very hard to believe or swallow” the LCMS leadership has kept it secret.
If LCMS' members wouldn't believe it, there would be no reason for it to remain secret. Keeping it secret won't save it when revealed, the leadership knows that as well. Roman bull.
Must be, saw it on the Internets.
Humbleness is an attractive quality in a Pope.
“If LCMS’ members wouldn’t believe it, there would be no reason for it to remain secret.”
Swallow, not just believe.
“Keeping it secret won’t save it when revealed, the leadership knows that as well.”
It doesn’t matter.
“Roman bull.”
No, just yours.
“Must be, saw it on the Internets.”
That maybe where you get your info, but it’s not where I got mine.
That LCMS holds discussions with other church bodies is no secret. There is no course to communion with the RCs that wouldn’t entail the shedding of much of their doctrine and teaching. The arguments of the Reformation remain today. Not likely to happen.
all joining in the delusion of these signs and wonders though their name might differ it remains just that.
It is not the signs and wonders that is the problem, after all, we dare not be Acts in a museum, but the lack of the genuine, and exalting the subjective above the objective.
I read 'the catholic council' statement from 1993 .....that this unity requires visible communion of 'all' Christians and 'the ultimate goal' of the catholic ecumenical Movement..
But as seen here, the ones who want to go by the book a supreme, Rome's doctrine or the Bible, have irreconcilable differences,.
“That LCMS holds discussions with other church bodies is no secret.”
This is secret. That’s why there have been no announcements.
“There is no course to communion with the RCs that wouldn’t entail the shedding of much of their doctrine and teaching.”
True. But that has already happened with Anglicans. It can happen with Lutherans.
“The arguments of the Reformation remain today.”
No. The arguers - so to speak - remain. The arguments were dispensed with in the 16th century.
“Not likely to happen.”
Many “not likely to happen” things have already happened.
Ah, there it is, the snarl behind the love.
For a minute there, I was afraid you'd forget.
Luther did follow that lesson. He stood fearlessly for Truth no matter the cost, and the Body of Christ was enriched, and many were brought to the plain Truth of the Gospel. I do not hold as you do that Rome is the only arbiter of truth. There is much error in Rome that needs to be pointed out and addressed.
And btw the Lutheran church is quite a bit older than 170 years, not that age matters.
Catholics can’t shed their doctrine in totality, so no chance of communion with real Lutherans.
“And btw the Lutheran church is quite a bit older than 170 years, not that age matters.”
And btw the LCMS isn’t - and that is EXACTLY what I was referring to: “It doesn’t matter if the LCMS would cease to exist in itself. It’s 170 years old; barely a blip on the radar of Church history and essentially of no importance in itself.”
And age does matter. Jesus established His Church in the first century not the nineteenth.
“Ah, there it is, the snarl behind the love.”
No snarl at all, just reality. Are you honestly claiming your posts are different?
“For a minute there, I was afraid you’d forget.”
I post as you post - only more accurately.
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