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A Reflection on Perhaps the “Meanest” and Most Shocking Thing Jesus Ever Said
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | November 18, 2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/19/2014 6:44:19 AM PST by Salvation

A Reflection on Perhaps the “Meanest” and Most Shocking Thing Jesus Ever Said

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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The Gospel from today’s Mass (Wed. of the 33rd Week – Luke 19:11-27) is known as the “Parable of the Ten Gold Coins.” It is similar to Matthew’s “Parable of the Talents” from Sunday, but with certain significant differences and an ending so shocking that, when I read it at daily Mass some years ago, a young child said audibly to her mother, “Wow, that’s mean!”

I’d like to take a look at it and ponder its shocking ending.

As I said, the parable is similar to the “Parable of the Talents” except that in this parable, ten people each receive one gold coin. Despite the fact that there are ten people, we only hear the reports of three of them (as in the Matthean account), two who show a profit and one who shows an angry and disdainful lack of profit.

Another significant difference is the weaving of another parable (let’s call it the “Parable of the Rejected King”) into the story. Briefly stated, here are the lines of the parable, along with its shocking ending:

A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return. His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, “We do not want this man to be our king.” But when he returned after obtaining the kingship … [He said] “Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me” (Luke 19:12,14, 27-28).

In analyzing a text like this I must say that I was disappointed at the silence of most commentaries. The shocking verse “slay them before me” goes largely unremarked.

The Fathers seem to say little (though perhaps you will correct me). I did find two references in the Catena Aurea. Augustine says of this verse, Whereby He describes the ungodliness of the Jews who refused to be converted to Him. And Theophilus adds, Whom he will deliver to death, casting them into the outer fire. But even in this world they were most miserably slain by the Roman army.

Hence both Fathers take the verse at face value and even declare it to be historically fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Josephus indicates in his work that 1.2 million Jews were killed in that dreadful war.

I must say, however, historically fulfilled or not, the triumphal and vengeful tone of Jesus still puzzles me. For if this verse does refer to the destruction of 70 AD, how do we account for Jesus’ tone here when just verses later He weeps over Jerusalem?

As Jesus approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you” (Lk 19:41-44).

Certainly a variety of emotions can sweep over even the God-man Jesus, but let me also suggest some other contextual and cultural considerations that frame Jesus’ startling and “mean” words, Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.

1. Jesus is speaking in the prophetic tradition - Prophets spoke this way, using startling and often biting imagery and characterizations. Though many today have tried to tame and domesticate Jesus, the real Jesus spoke vividly, in the prophetic tradition. He often used shocking and paradoxical images. He spoke bluntly, as prophets do, calling his hostile interlocutors hypocrites, vipers, children of the devil, whitewashed tombs, evil, foolish, blind guides, and the sons of those who murdered the prophets. He warns them that they will be sentenced to Hell unless they repent, and lays them out for their inconsistency and hardness of heart. This is what prophets do; they speak in this manner.

So, in speaking “mean” like this, Jesus is firmly in the tradition of the prophets, who spoke in a similar manner. Thus, in understanding the words of Jesus that we are considering (“slay them in my presence”) we cannot overlook the prophetic context. His words, which seem to us angry and even vengeful, are expected in the prophetic tradition from which He speaks; they are intentionally shocking. Their purpose is to provoke a response.

Prophets used hyperbole and shock to convey and frame their call to repentance. And while we ought not simply dismiss Jesus’ words as exaggeration, we should not fail to see them in the traditional context of prophetic speach.

Hence they may not, in fact,  portray an attitude of vengeance personally in Jesus’ heart but are to be understood as prophecy toward those who refuse to repent. They will die in their sins. And their refusal to reconcile with God and their neighbors (in this case the Romans) will indeed lead to a terrible war wherein they will be slain, dying horribly.

2. The Jewish culture and language often used hyperbole – Even beyond the prophetic tradition, the ancient Jews often used all-or-nothing language in their manner of speech. Although I am no Hebrew scholar, I have been taught that the Hebrew Language contains far fewer comparative words than does English or many other languages. Comparative words are words such as more, less, greater, fewer, most, especially, and so forth. Hence, if an ancient Jew were asked if he liked chocolate or vanilla ice cream more, he would say something like “I like chocolate and hate vanilla.” And by this he really means “I like chocolate more.” Thus, we see that Jesus says elsewhere that we must love Him and hate our parents, spouse, and children (e.g., Lk 14:26). He does not mean that we should hate them vengefully. Rather, this is a Jewish way of saying that we must love Him more and the most.

This background explains the ancient Jewish tendency to speak in hyperbole (exaggeration) and to often couch things in all-or-nothing terms. It is not that they did not comprehend nuances; they just did not speak in that manner, instead allowing the context to supply that “hate” does not mean literal hate, etc.

This linguistic background helps explain how the more extremist elements of prophetic language take shape.

We ought to be careful, however, not to simply dismiss things as hyperbole. We in the modern West who speak English may love that our language has greater nuance. But sometimes we are so nuanced that we say little. At some point we must say either yes or no; we must be with God or against Him. In the end, even if purgatory intervenes, there is only Heaven or Hell.

The ancient Jewish way of speaking in a rather all-or-nothing manner is not primitive per se, and it has a refreshing and honest way of insisting that we decide for or against God, that we decide what is right and what is just.

Thus, though Jesus words are harsh (part of the Hebraic way of speaking), they DO call the question. For either we choose God and live, or we choose sin and die spiritually. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Roma 6:23).

3. Jesus is speaking to hardened sinners – The audience here is important as well.  As Jesus draws near to Jerusalem He is entering hostile territory. The sinners and unbelievers He encounters are very rigid and have hardened their hearts against Him. Hence, Jesus’ words must be understood as strong medicine.

One can imagine a doctor saying to a stubborn patient, “If you do not change your ways, you will die soon and I’ll see you at your funeral.” While some may consider this a poor “bedside manner,” there are some patients for whom such language is necessary and appropriate.

Jesus is dealing with hardened sinners here and so He speaks bluntly. They are headed for death and Hell and He tells them so.

Perhaps we, who live in these “dainty” times and are so easily offended and so afraid of giving offense, could learn from such an approach. There are some who just need to hear from priests, parents, and others, “If you do not change your ways, I do not see how you can avoid being sentenced to Hell.”

4. A final thought, a theory really, that some have advanced - According to this theory, Jesus is referring to an actual historical incident and using it to disabuse His listeners of their fond thoughts of a new king. After the death of Herod the Great, Archelaus, his son, went to Rome to receive the title of king. A group of Jews also appeared in Rome before Caesar Augustus and opposed the request of Archelaus. Although not given the title of king, Archelaus was made ruler over Judea and Samaria, and later had those Jews who opposed him killed.

Kings are often despots – Since many Jews thought the Messiah (when he came) would be a king, some were hoping that Jesus was going to Jerusalem to take up the role of an earthly king. According to this theory, since the people pined for a king, Jesus uses this fearsome parable and reminder that earthly kings are usually despotic. Jesus is thus trying to disabuse them of the notion that He or anyone else should be their earthly king.

While this theory has a lot to recommend it, especially historical precedent, it seems unlikely that the Gospel text would use such an historically localized event to make such a narrow point. Jesus is not just speaking to the people of that time and place; He is also speaking to us. Hence, even if this explanation may have partial historical context, the meaning would also need to extend beyond one incident in the ancient past.

Well, there you have it. I am interested in your thoughts as well. Since the commentaries I consulted seemed rather silent, perhaps you have read commentaries worth sharing. Likewise, perhaps you know of some other quotes of the Fathers I could not find.

Is Jesus being mean here? No. Is He being blunt and painfully clear? Yes. And frankly some of us need it. In these thin-skinned times we may bristle at such talk, but that’s our problem. Good, refreshing honesty and a clear diagnosis are far more important than our precious feelings.

And here’s Jesus in prophetic mode—no compromises.



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1 posted on 11/19/2014 6:44:19 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 11/19/2014 6:45:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Jesus said a lot of “mean” things, especially if one’s heart is in this world rather than eternity.

Look at what he had to say every single time his mother was being discussed.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 6:50:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Salvation

I’ll still take Christianity over Islam any day. One hard truth I have learned in life which liberals do not agree with is that there are people so evil they deserve death. I’m not saying they can’t change; I’m just saying that sometimes its better to remove the Ted Bundys and Jeffrey Dahmers in your midst because of how evil they are and to prevent future harm to other good people.


4 posted on 11/19/2014 6:50:34 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Salvation

The last line sums things up well. Prophesy is what it is. A prophet does not make things happen, he advises the people what is going to happen, whether that thing is nice, or really bad.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 6:51:00 AM PST by Pecos (That government governs best which governs least.)
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To: Salvation
Is Jesus being mean here? No. Is He being blunt and painfully clear? Yes. And frankly some of us need it. In these thin-skinned times we may bristle at such talk, but that’s our problem. Good, refreshing honesty and a clear diagnosis are far more important than our precious feelings.

Is your answer yes AND no, like Monsignor Pope's? Mine is.

6 posted on 11/19/2014 6:53:08 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I have to recommend a book -

“Thou Shall Prosper”

It has great insights into Godly standards and Jewish tradition with regard to business.

Now... can someone explain the Parable of the Shrewd Manager?


7 posted on 11/19/2014 6:53:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Salvation

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. -Hebrews 4:12-13


God does not mince words when dealing with His creation. All of Holy Scripture is intent on working both repentance and faith, neither of which come about by our own devices.


8 posted on 11/19/2014 6:54:40 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Godd quote from Scripture,


9 posted on 11/19/2014 6:58:59 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

In our RCIA class last night we read chapter 6 of Matthew. Jesus used the word hypocrite quite often. The book our RCIA teacher uses is “Believing In Jesus” by Leonard Foley.


10 posted on 11/19/2014 7:00:56 AM PST by timeflies
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To: timeflies

Yes, Jesus didn’t mince words. One of the reasons he was killed.


11 posted on 11/19/2014 7:04:56 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Matthew 15:26 is also pretty “mean.”


12 posted on 11/19/2014 7:05:46 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Amen


13 posted on 11/19/2014 7:08:47 AM PST by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: MrB

Shrewd manager.

I once heard it taught that this manager had 2 sets of books - one was his cost (the price the boss wanted to get for the goods), the other was the higher price he told his customers. He wrote down his mark-up to make sure that his boss got 100% of his selling price. Sounded like the debtors were not gonna pay anything, but by removing his mark-up, the shrewd manager was able to collect the rich man’s money.

Not sure I explained that well...


14 posted on 11/19/2014 7:12:06 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: ShadowAce
That story of the Canaanite woman needs to be taken all together. For after Jesus rebukes her, she answers him, and he praises her for her faith.

22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon."

23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us."

24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me."

26 And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28 Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.


15 posted on 11/19/2014 7:14:40 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oops

Good quote from Scripture.


16 posted on 11/19/2014 7:15:48 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cuban leaf
Jesus said a lot of “mean” things, especially if one’s heart is in this world rather than eternity. Look at what he had to say every single time his mother was being discussed.

LOL!

WWJD

17 posted on 11/19/2014 7:17:25 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MrB

What line in Scripture do you not understand?

Please quote the Scripture.


18 posted on 11/19/2014 7:18:00 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Jesus is speaking in the prophetic tradition - Prophets spoke this way

And who told the prophets to speak that way? God did, of course. They were His prophets.

And who is Jesus? Jesus is God, of course ... so why would we be surprised that God Himself would speak the same way that He told His prophets, who spoke in His Name, to speak?

19 posted on 11/19/2014 7:18:46 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: MrB

“Now... can someone explain the Parable of the Shrewd Manager?”

Do you mean the Parable of the Unjust Steward (aka “Dishonest Manager”) in Luke 16?

Fonck: https://archive.org/stream/parablesgospel00foncuoft#page/n595/mode/2up


20 posted on 11/19/2014 7:29:28 AM PST by vladimir998
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