[ebb tide]

Ping

[SoFloFreeper]

Not being an expert in Roman Catholic church government, can someone make this simple for me? Is there not a way to remove an errant pope? I know it might be difficult, but it ought to be possible.

Or are the Cardinals, like the Republicans, terrified of the media bashing them for opposing the first “South American” Pope?

[hinckley buzzard]

It appears that what happened to Vatican II was attempted here, on a smaller but more radical scale-- a hijacking of the process and a political coup by left wingers. Unlike Vatican II, this time the orthodox have fought back openly and visibly.

Too bad about Francis. He has a bad streak in him due his consorting with Marxists and liberation theologists.

[GeronL]

It won’t stop them, of course. The agents of disruption or “liberals” or what have you. Losing a battle never stops them.

[Oratam]

It reminds me of the movie Conspiracy about the Wannsee conference that resulted in Nazi Germany's "Final Solution." The end result of the conference was already determined. The conference was necessary to create the impression it was a unanimous decision.

[Mamzelle]

Not Catholic here…but Francis' ascension caused a purely emotional and irrational queasiness for me. Then all this "don't worry he has bad English translators" that came from those anxious to reassure me, when his fatuous and alarming comments were public…

Count me as worried.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

The Synod has failed, because its aims were thwarted by this explosion of angst under pressure, and this is what makes this "Extraordinary Synod" truly extraordinary! The protest of the Synod Fathers against Baldisseri of October 16 was unheard-of at any time of the past 50 years, and the silence of the mainstream media is stunning, considering the enormity of what took place. The Italian mainstream media was caught completely off-guard, and already this Saturday they attempt to salvage the prestige of Papa Bergoglio by transferring the responsibility for the failure to his collaborators, including Baldisseri, but everybody knows that these were only faithful and unwavering agents of his powerful will.

That's going to leave a mark.

[ebb tide]

Card. Marx: The Pope did not convene two synods to "repeat what has always been said" but "give a strong impetus to the family pastoral care". "The Magisterium of the Church is not a static collection of sentences, but is developed. Doctrine does not change but it is understood and implemented in different ways."

[gusopol3]

the essential datum was the media operation. As long as the Synod workings remained secret, the media operation would proceed in fast movements of faits accomplis impossible to be stopped by any force, so that the end result would have been a revolutionary final relatio that would work as the great acclamation of Pope Francis by the world episcopate, almost in a guru-like fashion, as the glorious leader whose mastery of events cannot be denied or stopped

Obama ought to sue them for breaching his patent on that process.

[BlatherNaut]

“They are all furious and indignant with Francis.”

And this is how he views his opponents:

“...hostile inflexibility, that is, wanting to close oneself within the written word, (the letter) and not allowing oneself to be surprised by God, by the God of surprises, (the spirit); within the law, within the certitude of what we know and not of what we still need to learn and to achieve. From the time of Christ, it is the temptation of the zealous, of the scrupulous, of the solicitous and of the so-called – today – “traditionalists” and also of the intellectuals...”

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/virtus-in-medio-via-media-or-laodicea.html

[yldstrk]

What happened? I want to know a blow by blow.

[hawkeye101]

Petrus Romanus.