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If laws don't lead people to Jesus, they are obsolete, pope says
Catholic News Service ^ | 10/13/14 | Carol Glatz

Posted on 10/13/2014 4:15:07 PM PDT by BlatherNaut

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To: vladimir998
“Hasn’t the law been done away with?”

I got that wrong. Jesus came to fulfill the law.

21 posted on 10/13/2014 4:55:37 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: BlatherNaut
If the Law could save, then Jesus died for nothing.

Galatians 2:21 (NIV)
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
22 posted on 10/13/2014 4:55:59 PM PDT by Old Yeller (D.A.M.N. - Deport All Muslims Now! Starting in the White House.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Sorry Pope, my Bible teaches me that God is perfect, and his laws are unchangeable.

"God is always new; he never denies himself, he never says that what he had said is wrong, but he always surprises us," the pope said.

Seems to me that's precisely what he said.

23 posted on 10/13/2014 4:56:52 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: BlatherNaut

“God’s laws are meant to lead all people to Christ and his glory, and if they do not, then they are obsolete . . ..”

It’s hard to believe he said this. If the laws are really God’s, how can they properly be changed.

Moreover, there is the question of what coming to Christ actually means. If it is possible without following any laws or rules that might get in the way, are we left with the counsel to love God and do what you will — perhaps with loving God finally interpreted as doing what you will?


24 posted on 10/13/2014 4:58:20 PM PDT by buridan
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To: ebb tide
Have you noticed that lately the Pope’s sermons all seem to be attempts to justify the evilness going on in his Sin-Nod?

Indeed. And the one posted above is particularly obnoxious.

25 posted on 10/13/2014 4:59:30 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
"God is always new; he never denies himself, he never says that what he had said is wrong, but he always surprises us," the pope said.

Well then, Francis, how can God's own Laws, such as the Sixth Commandment, become obsolete if God never denies Himself?

26 posted on 10/13/2014 5:02:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut
God's laws are meant to lead all people to Christ and his glory, and if they do not, then they are obsolete, Pope Francis said in a morning homily.

So does this mean that ... God changed his mind? Maybe it means that if men of free will choose to not follow the laws that the laws need to be changed to be made more agreeable to sinful men?

When these cardinals elected him Pope surely they knew what he was like as he must have been shooting his mouth off all his life, right? It leads me to wonder if this was planned by leftists in the Catholic Church to put a loose cannon in there to shake things up

27 posted on 10/13/2014 5:12:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BlatherNaut

There is a difference between the minute regulations of the Pharisees and the moral laws at stake today in the Catholic Church. God’s moral laws don’t change. And affirming people in sin, which is what “gradualism” and saying only nice things will do in practice at least, doesn’t lead them to Jesus.


28 posted on 10/13/2014 5:15:03 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: BlatherNaut

I’ll agree with that headline


29 posted on 10/13/2014 5:16:58 PM PDT by onona (If I could compartmentalize; I'd be much better off)
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To: BlatherNaut; All
"... and if they do not, then they are obsolete, Pope Francis said in a morning homily."

Great! With all due respect to Pope Francis, the "new age" Pope has evidently been indoctrinated with falsehoods about the Holy Bible as much as USA judges have been indoctrinated with falsehoods about the Constitution.

30 posted on 10/13/2014 5:24:13 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: plain talk
When these cardinals elected him Pope surely they knew what he was like as he must have been shooting his mouth off all his life, right? It leads me to wonder if this was planned by leftists in the Catholic Church to put a loose cannon in there to shake things up

Bingo!

31 posted on 10/13/2014 5:31:34 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Anything goes as long as they are “brought to Jesus”?

I guess that would depend on the definition of “brought to Jesus”


32 posted on 10/13/2014 5:33:24 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Raycpa

Many of us tread extremely lightly when it come to voicing concerns about this new Pope.

“whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven”

But its nice to know that in the end, God has our back.


33 posted on 10/13/2014 5:36:09 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Bryanw92

Liberation theology.


34 posted on 10/13/2014 5:37:13 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Bryanw92

Bump for your remarks.

Contact (FReep) your Bishop!

http://usccb.org/about/bishops-and-dioceses/all-dioceses.cfm


35 posted on 10/13/2014 6:12:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: onedoug

Wow - this pretty much puts man (with all of his sin) in control of what’s right and what’s wrong.

That’s more than a little scary. And straight from the pit of hell.


36 posted on 10/13/2014 6:24:47 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: onedoug

>>Liberation theology.

Methodists call it “Social Gospel”, but regardless of the name, its just Marxism with a Bible book cover.


37 posted on 10/13/2014 6:35:09 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Salvation

>>Contact (FReep) your Bishop!

I’m a former Methodist, so I no longer have a Bishop.


38 posted on 10/13/2014 6:36:53 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

That’s not Jesus’ purpose. The Old Testament says God would make a New Covenant. And why?
-The OT gave laws of right and wrong. To disregard them was to disobey God.
-But to keep them resulted in pride and self-righteousness.
-And no one can even truly keep them perfectly, especially in the heart.
-What’s needed is a new spiritual nature, and that comes by believing on Christ as Savior.
-Christ was able to take our punishment because He deserved no punishment Himself. And someone needed to take it. As much as God wants to forgive, He must also be just. He absolutely MUST punish ALL sin. But, one can believe on Him, and His sacrifice for us, and have our due punishment cancelled. That is the Gospel: God not counting our sins against us.
-This solution takes care of the problem of PRIDE, which deceives us into thinking we’re good and so can depend on ourselves and our own judgment..
-When we know we’re not good, and can’t tell it for ourselves, then we come to depend on the Lord. When we know (CONT’D)


39 posted on 10/13/2014 6:49:26 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: BlatherNaut

It is disheartening to think that the Westboro Baptist Church is actually closer to the moral teaching of the Church on sodomy as one of the sins crying out to heaven for vengeance than this Synod of Bishops is.

Not right, but still closer.


40 posted on 10/13/2014 6:52:35 PM PDT by Loyalist (Aldiborontiphoscophornio! Where left you Chrononhotonthologos?)
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