Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
“So is eating meat, drinking wine, and kissing one’s children. Point?”
That is a frivolous response.
“If you ask me to pray for you, is it my body that does it or my soul? Does my soul die when my body dies? If you think I have an everlasting soul and its my soul that does the praying, isn’t it then consistent to treat all souls alike, whether or not the body is dead?”
I believe this is a serious response and presents an interesting argument.
If valid it would cover praying for deceased people, but not to them.
I don’t think we need to create rivalries within the Body of Believers.
The simple fact is that the Council of Trent ADDED those books 1000+ years afterwards. One should ask what did they know that St. Jerome didn’t know.
“The Hebrews hold Torah as the ultimate authority.”
I’m not bound by Hebrew practice or lack thereof. And neither is any other Christian. I eat pork and like it.
“None of the pagan practices of praying to the dead or for the dead is mentioned in Torah, the Prophets or even the Writings.”
Irrelevant. Many Christian things are not mentioned in the Old Testament.
“So linking such necessary functions of human life to non Torah and non NT practices is a fallacious premise.”
No, it is not.
“I can’t remember which Freeper Catholic posted these questions and I apologize to him or her for not giving direct credit.”
I posted similar questions just a few weeks ago. And, of course, no anti-Catholic could deal with the questions.
“Utter nonsense. That is not a serious response.”
Yes, it is. The simple fact is that Protestant anti-Catholics have no problem incorporating pagan practices into their lives which they are too stupid to know have pagan origins. A couple of weeks ago when I asked those questions, the anti-Catholic who I addressed them to, completely chocked on them. He/she refused to answer them. The reason was obvious - he/she had done all of those very things and was therefore a terrible hypocrite. That’s redundant, of course, I already said the person was an anti-Catholic.
Says who? Seriously, who is your authority and why should I trust their opinion?
Your own St. Jerome and St. Augustine, for starters.
Translation- I have been confronted with the truth and don't have an intelligent response. Drats foiled by those darn meddling super intelligent Catholics again.
That is not a serious response.
Sauce for the goose is good or the gander. If you want to condemn Catholics for "pagan" practices than you darn well better be ready to war that hat as well.
You will find that we Catholics are like a dog on a bone with the truth.
Only in cartoons.
This would be the same Jerome that translated the Bible into Latin from the original Greek and Hebrew, the same Jerome that even though he was not certain bowed to the wisdom of those that came before him.
Would it be this same Augustine that refuted Mani with this quote: "If you should find someone who does not yet believe in the gospel, what would you [Mani] answer him when he says, ‘I do not believe’? Indeed, I would not believe in the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so"
The same Augustine that quoted extensively form those same "disputed" books in his sermons and refutations of heretics?
The truth is protestants are trying to hand their hat on the same nail as the very people that rejected the entire New Testament. Do you really want to use the OT only?
And French historian Jacques Le Goff states,
“It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus - around 170 B.C., a surprisingly innovative period - prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews.” — Jacques Le Goff, The Birth of Purgatory, p. 45, trans. Arthur Goldhammer (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press.
Over and again on these threads I often find them (some of them anyway) more like
Not someone I should give a ride to.
Read my post #24, Mathematician Ivan Panin discovered the heptadic structure in scripture. All scripture has it, each book, cross books, new and old testament, both hebrew and greek, and even though the scripture was written down by 40 authors over a period of 2000 years. It cannot be reproduced even with the aid of computers. None, absolutely none of the apocryphal books have this structure. Therefore, as you rightly state, they are not inspired scripture.
The so-called Deuterocanon or second canon or Apocrypha came to be known as such for a reason, verga, and that reason was that their canonicity had always been disputed, disputed in fact within the Roman Catholic Church right up to the Council of Trent.
You do realize that the threads I cited in my post, i.e., comparing protestants to violent radical Muslims, and the "Scientific Proof of the Virgin Birth" thread, and this thread here, you are here and now admitting that they are indeed designed to bash protestants? Something protestants have been pointing out, with you guys denying it all along. Quite an admission, I'd say.
Protestants are Christ-denying? It is precisely the centrality of Christ and his Word we hold to - and NOT the centrality of Rome - that lies at the root of the difference between us.
Protestants are not bashed enough, you say? Please take note: every time you folks try to bash us, you get it turned back on you. It is the Roman abomination masquerading as the only true church that gets bashed. Give it up, it will always backfire on you.
"Learn authentic Christianity from the Fathers of the Church," you say? Protestants, as you know, believe the primacy is the Word of God. If there is a contradiction, apparent or otherwise, one should always choose the Word of God over any man, including the "Fathers." The Word of God condemns your Roman institution at every step - your Mary idolatry for instance... just for starters, a long list indeed.
And of course the ever popular: "Roma locuta est, causa finita est." -St Augustine Roughly translated: Rome has spoken, it is settled.
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