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Francis Declares that Christ “Had” a “Christian Identity”
The Remnant ^ | September 3, 2014 | Christopher Ferrara

Posted on 09/03/2014 6:03:44 PM PDT by ebb tide

It seems that not a day passes without Pope Francis’s off-the-cuff homilies and remarks producing a theological embarrassment: Mary “perhaps” felt tricked by God when she saw Her son on the Cross (“Lies! I was cheated!”), Christ merely pretended to be angry with this disciples (“Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to”), Matthew clung to his money when Christ called him (“No, not me! No, this money is mine!”), rather than immediately heeding Our Lord’s call as the Gospel records (Matt. 9:9-13)­—and so on and so forth, day in and day out.

Just yesterday Francis, resuming his morning Masses at Casa Santa Marta, opined in yet another improvised homily that “The authority of Jesus­—and the authority of the Christian—comes from this ability to understand the things of the Spirit, to speak the language of the Spirit. It is from this anointing of the Holy Spirit.”

No, the authority of Jesus comes from His divinity, not from any “anointing of the Holy Spirit” to be equated with “the authority of the Christian” in general.

Even more stupefying, Francis went on to declare: “Lord grant us Christian identity, which You had. Grant us Your Spirit. Grant us Your way of thinking, feeling, speaking: May the Lord grant us the anointing of the Holy Spirit.”

What could Francis possibly have been thinking when he ascribed to Christ Himself a “Christian identity,” as if the Second Person of the Holy Trinity had acquired this “identity” from the influence of the Holy Spirit. And what are we to make of the remark that Christ had a “Christian identity.” A slip of the tongue, obviously, but what does it reveal about the Pope’s constant suggestion that it is “neo-Pelagian” traditionalists who do not encounter the “living Christ.” Do we not see here precisely the abstraction of a “Christian identity” from its living embodiment in Christ, superabundantly present at all times in the Holy Eucharist?

As he is wont to do, Francis used the occasion once again to belittle doctrinal exactitude in the transmission of divine revelation­—the very function of the Magisterium—in favor of a subjective experience of faith, as if the two things were at war with each other:

We too can ask ourselves, what is our identity as Christians? Paul puts it very well today when he says: “And we speak about them not with words taught by human wisdom.” Paul’s preaching is not the result of a course at the Lateran, or the Gregorian... No, no, no! Not human wisdom, no! But taught by the Spirit: Paul preached with the anointing of the Spirit, expressing spiritual things of the Spirit in spiritual terms…. You can have five degrees in theology, but not have the Spirit of God! Maybe you'll be a great theologian, but you are not a Christian because you do not have the Spirit of God! That which gives authority, that which gives identity is the Holy Spirit, the anointing of the Holy Spirit….

Often, so often, we find among our faithful, simple old women who perhaps didn't even finish elementary school, but who can speak to us of things better than any theologian, because they have the Spirit of Christ.

Actually, no. That which gives authority is not the “anointing of the Spirit,” but rather the divine commission to the Church as guardian of specific revealed truths to be maintained faithfully by the successors of Peter and the Apostles as the deposit of the Faith. Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle, and there is no “anointing of the Holy Spirit” required to give authority to what God has already revealed and the Church is divinely obliged to hand down unchanged. And that which gives the Christian his identity is not any vague “anointing,” but rather the indelible marks of Baptism and Confirmation and the sanctifying grace made available through the Sacraments.

How is it that Francis is constantly proposing unfairly imbalanced equations to illustrate his opinions? Here Catholics with “five degrees in theology” are pitted against “simple old women… who can speak to us of things better than any theologian, because they have the Spirit of Christ.” Are there no theologians with the Spirit of Christ? Are there no simple old women without it? Are there really simple old women who speak to us better than any theologian? Is the sacred science of theology, then, of no real account in the Church of Francis? Does he view the Church as an essentially charismatic enterprise where “anointing”­ rather than sound orthodoxy is the ultimate the test of Faith?

This really isn’t a question of heresy. Rather, it seems that often Francis does not quite know what he wants to say, but he says it anyway. Such is the consequence of improvisation in the realm of theology. The sacred science of theology—traditional Catholic theology—exists in the Church for a very good reason: to prevent her teaching of divine revelation from dissolving into what it has largely become in the post-conciliar epoch: an inchoate mass of sentimentality and ineffable intuitions of which Francis’s free-wheeling remarks and the “interreligious soccer match for peace” are prime examples.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Humor
KEYWORDS: christ; francis; idiot
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1 posted on 09/03/2014 6:03:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus; Heart-Rest

Ping


2 posted on 09/03/2014 6:04:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Wow! That is “unexpected” LOL!


3 posted on 09/03/2014 6:07:07 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: ebb tide
Rather, it seems that often Francis does not quite know what he wants to say, but he says it anyway.

That sums it up. I think he means well, but he's an 80s kind of guy - not heretical, just given to vague thinking. When you think that once upon a time, Jesuits were famed for their rigor...

4 posted on 09/03/2014 6:07:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: ebb tide

Yahsua had a Christian identity? Help me out here. Christ having a Christ identity?


5 posted on 09/03/2014 6:12:00 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: ebb tide

does the pope drink a lot of communion wine these days?


6 posted on 09/03/2014 6:16:33 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Chuckle, chuckle.

(I’m not suppise to be grinning. But, I am. :)


7 posted on 09/03/2014 6:23:53 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Gamecock; metmom
It seems that not a day passes without Pope Francis’s off-the-cuff homilies and remarks producing a theological embarrassment: Mary “perhaps” felt tricked by God when she saw Her son on the Cross (“Lies! I was cheated!”), Christ merely pretended to be angry with this disciples (“Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to”), Matthew clung to his money when Christ called him (“No, not me! No, this money is mine!”), rather than immediately heeding Our Lord’s call as the Gospel records (Matt. 9:9-13)­—and so on and so forth, day in and day out.

Just yesterday Francis, resuming his morning Masses at Casa Santa Marta, opined in yet another improvised homily that “The authority of Jesus­—and the authority of the Christian—comes from this ability to understand the things of the Spirit, to speak the language of the Spirit. It is from this anointing of the Holy Spirit.” No, the authority of Jesus comes from His divinity, not from any “anointing of the Holy Spirit” to be equated with “the authority of the Christian” in general.

Even more stupefying, Francis went on to declare: “Lord grant us Christian identity, which You had. Grant us Your Spirit. Grant us Your way of thinking, feeling, speaking: May the Lord grant us the anointing of the Holy Spirit.” What could Francis possibly have been thinking when he ascribed to Christ Himself a “Christian identity,” as if the Second Person of the Holy Trinity had acquired this “identity” from the influence of the Holy Spirit.

Someone give this pope a sitcom!

8 posted on 09/03/2014 6:24:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: RitaOK

“You are forgiven....” .Father Meshuge Mikey...Sept 3 2014

the pope says were should to be able to THINK...Like God?

hes clearly missed a great deal of the Bible


9 posted on 09/03/2014 6:26:08 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Sorry. “...suppose to be...”


10 posted on 09/03/2014 6:26:28 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

No problem

it may be my use of Al Sharptonisms rubbing off on others......


11 posted on 09/03/2014 6:30:39 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: ebb tide
Rather, it seems that often Francis does not quite know what he wants to say, but he says it anyway.

Perhaps the problem is that you don't understand what he is saying. It's all rather simple really. Don't read into it too much.

12 posted on 09/03/2014 6:33:48 PM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: ebb tide

Sounds like your pope has a hard time being a Catholic...Sometimes he even sounds like a Christian...


13 posted on 09/03/2014 6:46:27 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ebb tide

Putz.


14 posted on 09/03/2014 6:46:29 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cry if I Wanna
It's all rather simple really.

"Simple". That's the word I was looking for.

15 posted on 09/03/2014 6:59:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: livius
he's an 80s kind of guy

I've had conversations with men in their 80s, and you may be right.

16 posted on 09/03/2014 7:00:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: ebb tide

This guy Francis should be writing for TV sitcoms and late night comedians.


17 posted on 09/03/2014 7:23:50 PM PDT by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: sitetest

Yes, he is one, isn’t he?


18 posted on 09/03/2014 7:25:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Iscool

the ULTIMATE in Christainity is, of course, Catholicism....without Catholics, there would be no Christianity. You can’t be a protestant if there is nothing to protest against.....


19 posted on 09/03/2014 7:31:33 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Iscool
the ULTIMATE in Christainity is, of course, Catholicism....without Catholics, there would be no Christianity. You can't be a protestant if there is nothing to protest against.....Sounds like your pope has a hard time being a Catholic...Sometimes he even sounds like a Christian...
20 posted on 09/03/2014 7:33:41 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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