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Presbyterian Assembly (PCUSA): Gay Marriage Is Christian (Ministers Can Do Homosexual Weddings)
ABC ^ | Jun 19, 2014 | KAROUB AND RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 06/19/2014 2:32:45 PM PDT by xzins

The top legislative body of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Thursday to redefine Christian marriage in the church constitution as the union of "two people" instead of only "a man and a woman."

The amendment requires approval from a majority of the 172 regional presbyteries, which will vote on the change over the next year. But in a separate vote that will take effect immediately, the Presbyterian General Assembly allowed ministers to preside at gay weddings in states where gay marriage is legal. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia recognize same-sex marriage.

Alex McNeill, executive director of More Light Presbyterians, a gay advocacy group, said the decisions Thursday were "an answer to many prayers" of same-sex couples.

The conservative Presbyterian Lay Committee decried the votes in Detroit as an "abomination."

"The General Assembly has committed an express repudiation of the Bible, the mutually agreed upon Confessions of the PCUSA, thousands of years of faithfulness to God's clear commands and the denominational ordination vows of each concurring commissioner," the committee said in a statement.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: calvinism; gaymarriage; gaystapo; homosexual; homosexualagenda; laycommittee; lesbyterian; morelight; paganchurchusa; pcusa; presbyterian; reformation; reformed; religiousleft
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1 posted on 06/19/2014 2:32:45 PM PDT by xzins
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My own United Methodist Church continues to fight Jezebel and Thyatira....here’s hoping there’s a split.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 2:33:35 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

We are at the “Joshua and Golden Calf” moment.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 2:37:12 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: xzins

Well, watch their attendance plummet.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 2:38:21 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Vigilanteman

Aaron was no great help at the golden calf moment. What did he say, something like “we threw all this gold in the fire and look what came out.”


5 posted on 06/19/2014 2:39:50 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Lysandru

My United Methdist Church has gone from about 15 million to 7.5 million just for arguing over this stuff. They yearn for irrelevance.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 2:41:05 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Any church accepting Homo marriage should be left immediately. those that remain are the problem and should be treated accordingly. It really is that simple.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 2:41:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: xzins

What part of the term “abomination” don’t Presbyterians understand?


8 posted on 06/19/2014 2:43:10 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Norm Lenhart

I agree with you.

If they can’t see the difference between a man + woman and a man+man, then they have left the Creator.


9 posted on 06/19/2014 2:43:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

John Knox is spinning in his grave.


10 posted on 06/19/2014 2:45:03 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: xzins

Time to split. Vomit-worthy


11 posted on 06/19/2014 2:45:09 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: xzins

Yup. It’s binary. there is no other correct answer.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 2:45:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: xzins

To me it looks more like “Here be your gods!” moment when Israel and Judah split. Many people in the Northern Kingdom moved into Judah.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 2:45:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: xzins

Close friends of mine just left the UMC. They are both roughly 50 and had been lifelong Methodists, but they said they could no longer subject their children to what was being taught in their church. Most Methodists I know seem much more conservative and traditional than their leaders. I’m not sure if that’s as true everywhere as it is in Tennessee and Mississippi.


14 posted on 06/19/2014 2:47:45 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: txrefugee

It’s the PCUSA, but my sense is that they simply cannot be believers in Jesus Christ. They believe their job is to perpetuate the ‘myth of Jesus’ as an incentive for groups to work in soup lines and so others can give them a salary for running community activities and weekly poetry readings.


15 posted on 06/19/2014 2:48:02 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: .45 Long Colt

There are some truly bad Methodist churches, and some of them are in Tennessee, although Tennessee tends to be better on average than other places.

I really hope to hold the line against the pro-homosexuality group again in 2016, and the frustrated sexually promiscuous crowd cause a church split.


16 posted on 06/19/2014 2:50:42 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Good point. I would welcome a split myself.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 2:52:16 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

It is total amazing that it took Christian theologians/ministers a couple thousand years to discover that same sex marriage is a good and proper thing. I guess it took the help of heathens to get them to see the light.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 2:53:19 PM PDT by all the best
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“...the Presbyterian General Assembly allowed ministers to preside at gay weddings in states where gay marriage is legal... Alex McNeill, executive director of More Light Presbyterians, a gay advocacy group, said the decisions Thursday were “an answer to many prayers” of same-sex couples.”

Except the gays members that live in states where it isn’t legally recognized. Imagine belonging to a religious group that believes that indeed you can be married, but only if the state you are in first agrees. I would think that is pretty lame.

Freegards


19 posted on 06/19/2014 2:54:51 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: all the best

And pretty much only in irrelevant mainline western Christianity.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 2:56:16 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

What is happening with the other Presbyterian branches? (sects)?


21 posted on 06/19/2014 3:08:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

They tend to be conservative


22 posted on 06/19/2014 3:14:44 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Your having posted this saved me the trouble.

Ghastly. Hope the members repudiate it.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 3:20:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: .45 Long Colt

My 82 year old mom is having problems with her UMC church. They are getting a female pastor and my mom is not okay with that, but she’s old and doesn’t want to change churches.


24 posted on 06/19/2014 3:21:21 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: xzins

I have seen some Methodist Churches vacated in our area because they refused to give their money to their national organization because of where (i.e. world council of churches) the money was going and didn’t believe in the liberal bent. They also were forced to have pastors who were sent to them. Even though they built their building with their own money, owned the land, made repairs, etc., they didn’t own it. One church in the country was told by an official of the denomination that he would rather see it as a coon hunters club rather than have the congregation stay in it.

Where are these Presbyterians putting God in all of this? What a travesty. We are seeing a separating of the wheat and the chaff, the sheep and the goats right before our very eyes and our precious children growing up won’t know the difference!


25 posted on 06/19/2014 3:28:30 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: xzins

In those famous words of Hitlery “at this point what difference does it make” I doubt there are many Bible believing heterosexuals left in the Presbyterian Church.

And if there are any WHY!


26 posted on 06/19/2014 3:33:21 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Ransomed
Alex McNeill, executive director of More Light Presbyterians, a gay advocacy group...

And therein lies the problem: homos and their ilk invading mainline churches to turn them into something God does not want. Satan knows what he's doing....

27 posted on 06/19/2014 3:33:58 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: xzins

We need to begin calling this what it is : apostasy. For too long we have been overly considerate to our brethren and have shielded our words that they might return to the fold willingly and with welcome. But their hearts are hardened and they've no desire to return. They are caught up in this world and its pleasures. They are willfully apostate and only as the Holy Spirit moves them, will they return. I pray the Good Shepherd finds them once more before the harvest.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 3:41:58 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: xzins
I am a lifelong member of the UMC myself-- stranded here in Liberal-dominated Northern Virginia.

One of the former members of my youth group is now a pastor. I am proud of this. But I am disappointed to see him go mushy on the marriage integrity question. He doesn't want to fight the culture war. What he fails to grasp is that if the culture war is truly lost, his flock will dissipate.

Giving in on same sex marriage is not going to put butts back in the pews. The demands for the church to excuse sins will only increase.

29 posted on 06/19/2014 3:44:06 PM PDT by Lysandru
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May I suggest the quick read copy (Kindle format) of A Prophetic Manifesto. . . perhaps you might forward a copy to the young pastor. . . only $2.99. I have sent several out to pastors, friends and relatives via Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Prophetic-Manifesto-David-Reagan-ebook/dp/B009DOZRHU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403218075&sr=8-1&keywords=prophetic+manifesto


30 posted on 06/19/2014 3:49:57 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: xzins

This is going to really annoy my mother. Maybe she’ll decide that if they don’t do any homosexual weddings at her own church, she can stick with it as long as she’s still ambulatory.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 3:55:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Lysandru; Maudeen; luckystarmom

As a United Methodist military chaplain and as a UMC pastor, I’ve fought this for years. You know the groups — Good News, Confessing, IRD, etc. I’m an Asbury Seminary grad, and a mega-church pastor acquaintance, also an Asbury grad in the same time frame as me is inclined to see this as ‘we can just agree to disagree’. (Not just in our conversation but in our written rules.)

So, what I would consider a former evangelical UMC pastor of a mega-church has sought a broad highway of comfortable Christianity.

I truly hope the denomination holds the line in 2016 due to the African churches and then splits. I wonder which side this former evangelical will go with?


32 posted on 06/19/2014 3:59:07 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: jeffc

Scripture describes Satan as masquerading as an “angel of light.” So for those who have eyes to see, the hand of Satan is pretty evident in the mainline denominations.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 4:39:35 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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To: xzins

Romans 1:27
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
1 Corinthians 6-10
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,


34 posted on 06/19/2014 4:59:57 PM PDT by Bibman (Tea Party since 1976. Throw ALL the bums out!)
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To: xzins

This will be the end of the PCUSA except on the west and east coasts.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 5:20:32 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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Like the Methodists, they also have liberal congregations in the Great Lakes and Midwest

But I pretty much agree with you


36 posted on 06/19/2014 5:36:27 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Should it now be called the Lesbyterian Church instead?


37 posted on 06/19/2014 5:39:20 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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Thank you, Lord, for the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church - the Roman Catholic Church.

Matthew 16:
[15] Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

[16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 5:49:27 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: xzins

Do these guys have big African factions like some of these other groups that have went awry in the west?

Freegards


39 posted on 06/19/2014 5:53:40 PM PDT by Ransomed
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LOL!


40 posted on 06/19/2014 5:54:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: jacknhoo; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; ...

Thank you, Lord, for the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church - the Roman Catholic Church.

Matthew 16:
[15] Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

[16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


41 posted on 06/19/2014 5:56:02 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: jacknhoo

I won’t argue with you about it. First, because your church hasn’t yet officially gone this way. You did, though, like me, read about Baltimore and its homosexual supporting bishop. Second, because my denomination hasn’t gone that way yet either, but it has a large number trying hard to do so.

I hope Francis turns out all right.


42 posted on 06/19/2014 5:58:04 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: narses

See #42, narses.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 5:59:08 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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44 posted on 06/19/2014 6:05:58 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: xzins

Ditto.

But Francis is simply the Pope. The Bishop of Rome, yes. The Holy Father to us in the Catholic faith, yes. But NOT Our Lord, rather His Vicar. If Francis chose to act against the Faith, he would be the Apostate. The Church cannot and will not teach error. It is His. As are we.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 6:18:46 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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two people, i guess a man and a boy or a woman and a girl fit that description then too then
46 posted on 06/19/2014 6:28:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: xzins
Mathew16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spoke it not to you concerning bread, but that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees?” 12 Then understood they that He bade them not to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” 14 And they said, “Some say that Thou art John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father who is in Heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”

Pray for them.

47 posted on 06/19/2014 6:37:32 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: xzins

My cousin’s daughter was married in an Episcopal Church a couple of weeks ago. He sent me a short clip of the pastor conducting the ceremony. It was very short and to the point, ending with him saying “I know pronounce you married”. No where during the ceremony did he say I now pronounce you man and wife or husband and wife. Guess that’s what the Episcopal Church did when they stuck their middle finger up to God and started “marrying” sodomites.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 7:05:00 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: xzins
This will have effects far beyond the PCUSA. One can't simply shrug one's shoulders here and say "oh well, my church is still standing fast".

Developments like this will effect your Church because they 1) provide a morale boost to the homosexual activists and their fellow travelers and confirm them in their belief that with the right amount of pressure and threats, churches can be coerced to do their bidding, and 2) they provide a propaganda boost by giving them a poster child to whom they can point and say......"see, these guys get it....time for you other, neanderthal churches to get with the program and come into the 21st century".

Obviously, the larger the church, the bigger the propaganda boost. Since PCUSA is the largest of the Presbyterian denominations, this is a major win for the enemy.

49 posted on 06/20/2014 5:59:52 AM PDT by marshmallow
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In western culture. The USA is attempting to spread that culture but they will be surprised at the resistance.

You have to hypersexualize a culture to get it to advocate unnatural sex. You also have to feminize it.


50 posted on 06/20/2014 6:09:37 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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