Posted on 06/04/2014 10:18:03 AM PDT by matthewrobertolson
Gee! I guess ‘priestly’ pedophilia is okay then?
That would be true of MANY humans who try to justify bad behavior, either theirs so someone else's. The worst their behavior, it seems, the harder they try for SOME kind of justification.
**Does the Bible really teach that premarital sex is wrong?**
Yes
“As a protestant, I’ve never once heard anyone use scripture to justify premarital sex.”
I have. Masturbation is a form of premarital sex. Years ago a Protestant friend passed along Protestant book about sex. It was filled with errors - all because of sola scriptura. The author clearly did not understand sexuality in a truly Christian way.
lol
I have no problem with your reasoned addition to the discussion. My problem is with the original post. Rather than genuinely discussing whether the Bible teaches - name the topic - the author quickly steers toward an anti-Protestant viewpoint. I find this type of writing to be intellectually deficient and dishonest. The author should state his premise - Protestant believe in scriptural sufficiency allows them find wiggle room in justifying sinful actions. Once honestly stated, those (including me) who find the premise to be wrong, offensive and plainly ill-reasoned can join in the hunt and watch the fur fly!
“But Protestants don’t have that luxury.”
I would argue that isn’t a luxury but a hindrance. No man has the right to tell another man what God has said. God speaks for Himself.
This is talking about marriage. Why are you trying to change the subject?
Who knows why some people are so hateful. It shows such lack of control, such a mean spirit and an arrogance (pride) that is the FIRST of the seven deadly sins.
"Hateful" comes from a most unhappy person, don't you think? Maybe their unhappiness is assuaged a bit by demeaning others.
That never works of course. One wonders if that person will EVER learn.
Whether you are protestant or catholic, you believe one thing in common -— SCRIPTURE IS GOD’s WORD.
So, the response I gave is simply a response that both protestants AND catholics should support.
They both believe that St. Paul is Christ’s apostle, and this is what he taught.
Matthew 19:9
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for porneia, and marries another woman commits adultery.
What does porneia mean in this sentence? Don't say "adultery," because there's another word for that: moichos
So does it mean they are not bindingly married if the woman committed fornication (lost her virginity) before the marriage? Or does it mean that the marriage might for some other reason not be a fully binding marriage?
Just curious how you'd approach that.
Starting to read YHvH's WORD at last.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachRead about where He asks you to worship Him on Shabbat.
Read about where the Queen of heaven is idolatry.
Read about where there is no one between you and Yah'shua.
Matthew,
Romans 16:17 applies to what you have posted here and other similar things that you and others have posted:
“I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”
Picking fights with Christ followers is a clear departure from Christ’s teaching. Do as you wish; but you are the one making the choice to disobey.
Good brother in Christ - we’re singing from the same of the hymnal!
This is ridiculous.
Not only is the idea of anyone using the doctrine of Sola Scriptura to justify fornication ludicrous, it demonstrates that the author does not understand what Sola Scripture even means.
Great job, author, of tearing down your family in Christ.
Where is masturbation discussed in YHvH's WORD ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
RE: Great job, author, of tearing down your family in Christ.
I hope you are referring to me, because if my Post #2 means anything, it is to show that SCRIPTURE TEACHES AGAINST sex outside of marriage (be it pre-marital or extra-marital).
Correction: I hope you are NOT referring to me.
Marriage
Mark 10:2-12: Jesus said to the Pharisees, "God made them male and female. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother, and the two shall become as one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, no man must separate..."
Romans 7:1-3: Do you not know, brethren -- for I am speaking to those who know the law -- that the law is binding on a person only during his life? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
1 Corinthians 7:10-16: To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband) -- and that the husband should not divorce his wife. To the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but as it is they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner desires to separate, let it be so; in such a case the brother or sister is not bound. For God has called us to peace. Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?
(**NOTE -- Here we see the power of one person's faith in Christ sanctifying the rest of the family, including infants. Why? Because the family is one in Christ, even if only one member is a believer.)
Ephesians 5:22-33: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This mystery is a profound one, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church; however, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
(**NOTE -- Here Paul compares the sacrament of marriage between a man and a wife with the relationship Christ has with His Church - That they are one, and not separate entities. That is why Jesus said in Luke 10:16 - "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me." People who reject the teachings of the Church because of their personal opinions would do well to remember this- they aren't just rejecting what the Pope says; they are rejecting what Jesus says.)
Hebrews 13:4: Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous.
Years ago a Protestant friend passed along Protestant book...
Why go down this road? My wife has a lady friend who was just ordained as a Catholic Priest. So according to logic of this writer, I can now lump all Catholics into the same bowl as my wife's friend? Of course not.
I have a huge amount of respect, love and admiration for my Catholic brothers & sisters (on the whole) for standing firm against the culture of death and holding high the banner of Christ.
Articles like this are not helpful. Stop preaching hatred and dissension.
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