Posted on 05/03/2014 4:29:17 PM PDT by Gamecock
sad it is that many peoples only contact with :”christianity” is by means of the televised shenanigans of these sort of guys.
I think you cast the first stone when you blamed protestantism.Or did I read your post wrong?
The Bible has no teaching on "homosexuality." Only on sodomy, lasciviousness, etc. So-called "homo-sexuality" is not about sex. Sexuality is about the method of regeneration and propagation of human beings.
(Not trying to offend or start a fight, just making a point that the use of this term aids the perpetrator to count the activity to define another proper use of the body, when it is not, and is a confusion of arousal and emission function with fecal and urinal elimination functions. The Bible calls this activity abomination.)
You mistake individual conduct versus belief. Protestantism is a heretical belief or as famed English essayist Hillaire Belloc once said, Protestantism spawned a “cluster of heresies.”
If you won't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
You mean if the Roman Catholic Church was still ruling the world such men would be burned at the stake?
Maybe you didn't notice (again!) that this is a thread on which Protestants and Catholics can find common ground. Why do you keep blaming everything wrong in Christianity on Protestantism? Have you forgotten that one of the many reasons the Reformation began was because of the debauchery and depravity within the Roman Catholic hierarchy?
No matter what denomination someone identifies with, Scripture makes it very clear that homosexual sex is an abomination to God. Those who follow God's word have no real wiggle room on this topic. Do you agree or not?
Of course, homosexuality is an abomination. No disagreement there.
But what Joel Osteen or Al Sharpton etc have to say on this matter is wholly irrelevant. Christ is our authority, and He founded One Church, and One Truth to carry forth the mission given to Peter and his disciples. The Catholic Catechism condemns the homosexual lifestyle calling it a grave and an intrinsically moral disorder. We don’t need the Jeremiah Wrights or the First Lutheran Church or the First whatever.
No ...he’s for your cash in his jet charter
I hope by these guys you do not mean the Grahams
Dumping them in with the others is unmerited
Well, peachy! Glad there is at least one thing you can't criticize us Freeper Protestants about. Why did you feel the need to blame Protestantism in general for the faulty views of a few TV preachers? Do they speak for all of us?
But what Joel Osteen or Al Sharpton etc have to say on this matter is wholly irrelevant. Christ is our authority, and He founded One Church, and One Truth to carry forth the mission given to Peter and his disciples. The Catholic Catechism condemns the homosexual lifestyle calling it a grave and an intrinsically moral disorder. We don’t need the Jeremiah Wrights or the First Lutheran Church or the First whatever.
It's not irrelevant to the people who follow and support their ministries. Of course Jesus Christ is our ONE, objective authority for ALL things related to the faith that follows Him. He ensured we would know for sure what the rules of our faith are by inspiring holy men of God to write what the Holy Spirit gave to them to be passed onto the believers throughout the world. That sacred Scripture is STILL relevant today and remains our authority. Even the Roman Catholic church must submit to what God says in His word and I'm glad that on this subject they have not strayed from what is true. I disagree with you (as if you didn't know that) that the Roman Catholic church is this "one church" with "one truth" set up by Jesus. The reason is that God already told us that the body of Christ is a spiritual house of which we are living stones being built up into it (your guy Peter said in I Peter 2:5). It is truly a UNIVERSAL church/assembly and is only made up of genuine, born again believers in Christ - those HE knows and who know Him.
We know there are a number of Roman Catholic priests who don't hold to the truth about homosexual sin contained in your catechism and they disagree in other areas as well. Yet, they are still members of the clergy in the Roman Catholic church and their parishioners listen to them. I'd love it if every preacher spoke the Biblical truth on this topic, but whether Catholic or Protestant, God's word is STILL the authority and people would be better off learning under a pastor that believed that as well.
I don't think so. Not until the protestants recognize that the sex scandals in the Church were the result of homosexual infiltration and not as a result of Church discipline of celibacy or any other Church teaching.
Unfortunately in their haste and hatred of the Church they aligned themselves with the secular homosexualists as unwitting pawns in an attempt to damage the Church. So you'll forgive me if I view protestantism and homosexuality as two sides of the same coin. I don't care how many times protestants call it an abomination. Their actions speak otherwise. Protestants made common cause with such people.
Which does lead to the overarching understanding that with the elevation of self as the ultimate authority in interpreting scripture within the reform movement why shouldn't that have extended to the 21st century and the elevation of self as the sole authority for determining morality. Protestantism is a 500 year old experiment which was doomed at the outset to failure and that failure is rapidly becoming apparent. Sorry.
the Grahams most certainly do not belong in same category that the t.d. jokes...er jakes... of the world belong to!
thank you
Quote- Protestantism spawned a “cluster of heresies.”
Some seem to forget what mother gave birth to the Protestantism..
Protestants tend not to think about it..and Catholics are too busy with their mother...
Apples dont fall very far from their trees..
Mother/daughter squabbles do get nasty though...
* III. “MALE AND FEMALE HE CREATED THEM”
Equality and difference willed by God
369 Man and woman have been created, which is to say, willed by God: on the one hand, in perfect equality as human persons; on the other, in their respective beings as man and woman. “Being man” or “being woman” is a reality which is good and willed by God: man and woman possess an inalienable dignity which comes to them immediately from God their Creator.240 Man and woman are both with one and the same dignity “in the image of God”. In their “being-man” and “being-woman”, they reflect the Creator’s wisdom and goodness.
370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.241
III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE
2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.
Nowhere does it say conjugal love of man and man.
God’s Word is ONE TRUTH. People cannot be made to believe that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can crack open a Bible (whose Books were authenticated by the early Church Fathers) and say they can find “objective” truth. This we have the scandal of some 35,000 brands of “Christianity,” “Mormons” the “Moonies” and whoever else that gave rise to the Black Churches, the clowns like TD Jakes, Osteen, Al Sharptons, Jeremiah Wrights,….and so on.
Peter and his disciples were charged with the Great Commission to go forth and teach. This teaching is ONE, through all ages for all peoples through all times.
**Jakes is a heretic. Why? Denies the classic doctrine of the Trinity**
I know not Mr. Jakes, other than what is printed about him or is on video. He would appear to be ‘getting loose’ as far as teaching Oneness Pentecostal doctrine.
His “I’m not against anything” could be a (politically correct) statement meaning that he knows he has no real power of his own. That would probably be giving him the benefit of the doubt. At least he’s not embracing homosexual pastors like the old Calvinist church I attended 32 years ago.
Jesus Christ doesn’t teach a ‘three separate and distinct persons, coequal, Godhead’, so why should anybody else.
The scriptures have no phrase ‘God the Son’; Jesus, and others called him the ‘Son of God’.
The scriptures have no phrase ‘God the Holy Ghost(Spirit)’.
Are you ‘Gamecock of South Carolina’, or ‘South Carolina the Gamecock’? (try slidin that one by an English prof).
**At least he’s not embracing homosexual pastors like the old Calvinist church I attended 32 years ago.**
I seriously doubt a true Calvinist church embraces homosexuality in any form.
Their mainline Presbyterian organization does. I’m sure that if this particular church found out they voted in a pastor that would later be revealed to be gay, there would be a congrational split. The libs, being in line with the organization would get to stay, while the others would be looking for another meeting place.
A rural church, their numbers are dwindling; smaller families, and fewer farmers, plus the “I believe in Jesus, why go to church” mentality has cut it down to less than half of it’s attendance of about 40 yrs ago. They had a split in the 90’s over allowing women trustees, which made a big dent rather quickly.
I can only assume you are talking about the PCUSA.
They abandoned Calvinism DECADES ago.
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