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1 posted on 09/17/2013 11:44:25 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
Pinging the Great Reformed Ping List. This is much bigger than Reformed doctrine, but Dr. Al Mohler is a Reformed Baptist and we have a special interest in supporting his fight for the freedom of evangelical chaplains.
2 posted on 09/17/2013 11:45:53 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
The military is now being used as the micro-model of what this Satanic administration what to impose on society. He is experimenting by these horrific oppressions to see what he can get away with and what will stick with the courts.

Be assured that the end-game is demonic control over everyone, particularly those who are called by Christ. We are now only getting hints about this, but our children will be taken from us in name of protecting them from the "mental illness" of "homophobia" of the parents. Not joking here. At least one NJ legislator expressed this goal clearly within the last month when Christie signed the bill to ban therapy for unwanted same-sex attraction.

4 posted on 09/17/2013 11:50:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Request that this be pinged to your own military, Christian, or culture war lists. This effort to force chaplains opposed to homosexual marriage out of the military must be fought.

We’re no longer dealing with issues of tolerating homosexuals or “don’t ask, don’t tell” questions. We’re dealing with a threat to force evangelical Protestants and traditional Roman Catholics — at least those who believe what their church teaches — out of the military chaplaincy.

Many of us on the conservative side of the fence knew this was coming sooner or later, but I hope the leftists have overplayed their hand by calling for action before they have enough control to win this fight.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 11:53:42 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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7 posted on 09/17/2013 12:00:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: darrellmaurina
"In accordance with established U.S. military policy and law, all chaplains are free to minister in accordance with the teachings and beliefs of their own churches, even as they minister to all and respect the religious liberty of others."

Mohler, as usual, is terminally naive about the plausibility of attaining even this goal. You cannot "respect" sodomy in any shape, form or fashion, only forcefully repudiate it. What sodomite is going to let such a biblical chaplain get away with this?

The military chaplaincy has always been a lowest-common-demonimator exercise in sickening ecumenism anyway, with the various faiths represented in a unit requiring that chaplains deliver a mish-mashed, watered down pablum of all "Christian" beliefs combined into a non-judgmental, collect-all theology. Are they really going to tell atheist service members on their way to a battle front the truth about their eternal destiny if they do not believe on the Only Way?

It was once accepted that there were differences of belief within Christianity, and that was workable as long as everyone was considered a Christian, or at least had a proper, cultural respect for it. That era is now gone, and these pastors and their defenders are naive to think that they can still fight for what used to be in the new milieu of cultural depravity and foundationless values.

The only solution is to get out. Get out so that you don't soil yourself with the feces that are now neck deep.

11 posted on 09/17/2013 12:13:23 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: darrellmaurina

The military needs as many true American patriots as possible. Imagine the military staffed solely with demented marxists who place Obama on a divine pedestal. I get how hard it is to be a true defender of American liberties in the military today but this is a situation where we have to consider what the alternatives are. I just don’t see how now is the time to say noone should join the military because doing so is not patriotic anymore.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 12:26:20 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: darrellmaurina

“Can a chaplain committed to historic biblical Christianity remain in military service?”

No


16 posted on 09/17/2013 12:28:31 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: darrellmaurina

Its not a question of IF a chaplian can honestly serve in the military - its fast becoming a questions if even a CHRISTIAN can serve.


17 posted on 09/17/2013 12:32:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: darrellmaurina

Of course, military chaplains should be maintaining a Biblical position on all issues, even and especially if it results in dismissal, arrest, etc.

If it does, they will be jailed or persecuted for being true to the Gospel, which, of course, is a blessing.

2 Corinthians 6

“1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;

6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;

10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.

12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.

13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”


20 posted on 09/17/2013 12:52:09 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: darrellmaurina

Can chaplains committed to historic biblical Christianity serve in the United States military?

Well they have for decades. But in the new queer military of President seeks they will be driven out.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 3:05:35 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: darrellmaurina
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27 posted on 09/17/2013 3:47:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: darrellmaurina

This obviously applies to faithful Catholic chaplains as well as Evangelical chaplains.

As a Catholic, it is important to me to be able to get to Mass on Sundays. I had no problem with that during my time in the military in a variety of U.S. bases. Either we had a Catholic priest to say Mass on base, or we could drive to a Catholic church somewhere nearby.

But it is entirely another matter if you are stationed abroad, in a place of violence, or a Muslim country, or a war zone. You need a chaplain to say Mass and to hear confessions. If you are liable to get killed any time, you need these things badly. And if you get wounded or are dying, you certainly want a priest around as much as you want a medic.

I would assume much the same for Evangelicals, or for any traditionally minded Christians. Having a chaplain is a necessity in a war zone, if it is at all possible.

So, it’s all very well to suggest that faithful chaplains will have to get out of this new model army. But the cost would be devastating.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: darrellmaurina

The United States government has absolutely no right to hire chaplains from any denomination or religion for the military or any other area of our government. If a believer joins the military and is blessed to witness or minister to other believers, they cannot be stopped. However, tax dollars should never be used to establish, support, or promote any religion or religious activity.

As for the prohibitions regarding prayer, no man can prohibit true prayer at any time, as it is the Spirit that makes intercessions with groanings that cannot be uttered!


35 posted on 09/17/2013 6:44:31 PM PDT by Hardshell
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Ping


46 posted on 09/18/2013 8:43:21 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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