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Catholicism For Protestants
Catholic in the Ozarks ^ | August 22, 2013 | Shane Schaetzel

Posted on 08/22/2013 3:56:07 PM PDT by NYer

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To: smvoice

>> one question..who is Nehemia Gordon...?<<
You can read some about him here. Appears he does his “original” Hebrew work from rather recent stuff.

KARAISM & NEHEMIA GORDON http://hebrewnewtestament.com/karaites.htm

Mr. Nehemia Gordon uses New Testament texts to wedge his own religious ideas against the Household of Faith who follow Y’shua. For example Mr. Nehemia Gordon wrote a book entitled The Hebrew Yeshua vs the Greek Jesus that he based on a medieval Hebrew New Testament (1380 AD) text, trying to cast doubt on Aramaic and Greek texts that predate it by over 1300 years (if we consider that later copies of Shem Tob texts are mid 1500’s that Mr. Gordon references).


541 posted on 08/26/2013 2:17:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Thanks, CB. That’s all I need to know about one Nehemia Gordon...


542 posted on 08/26/2013 2:23:22 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: count-your-change
Thanks FOR your THOUGHTS but THE caps REALLY aren’t necessary.

Now why is that? Because small or LARGE type - you are STILL left in the wonder state.... And I wonder why the question. - as nothing penetrates.

No one is wondering why you changed the subject with no response to my post other than CAPS.

543 posted on 08/26/2013 6:38:05 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: CynicalBear

Typical CB Strawman again.

Nobody ever said that Papias did any manuscripts.

Every Greek ms that has a broken Hebrew pun has to have been mistranslated from Hebrew. That is called logic.

Almost all of them have the broken puns, as is to be expected.


544 posted on 08/26/2013 7:09:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; metmom

>> “The problem is, G-d had already spoken at Sinai and revealed a religion that simply did not allow for the possibility of any such religion as chrstianity” <<

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Let’s try once again to untwist your confusion.

Yehova did not reveal any “religion” at Sinai; he presented his commandments to his chosen people. “Christianity,” originally known as “The Way,” is not a religion either; it is the fulfillment of the perfect sacrifice called for at Sinai, and later described by the prophets.

You want religion? religion is invented by men, and is a sure path to the lake that burns. Judaism is a religion, as is Catholicism, infact they are almost one and the same. Both are lies offered by men wishing to control other men. Both declare that they have oral secrets by which men are to live, and both violate the prohibitions in Deuteronomy and Revelation against changing Yehova’s laws.

The Way, the path of Yeshua, is the perfection of what Yehova gave Moses at Sinai. The effective sacrifice that forever pays for sin.


545 posted on 08/26/2013 7:30:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear; editor-surveyor
Kloppenborg calls the statement that there was a Hebrew version “legendary at best”. [J.S.Kloppenborg Verbin, Excavating Q : The History and Setting of the Sayings Gospel (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 2000) 80]

Why should we believe Kloppenborg over Papias? I am not being a smart alec I am asking a serious question. Papias was closer to the source and to the best of my knowledge did not have an agenda.

546 posted on 08/26/2013 7:43:58 PM PDT by verga (Liberals and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: editor-surveyor

547 posted on 08/26/2013 7:44:34 PM PDT by narses
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To: count-your-change
Do you not understand the verses you quoted or not understand the comments made about them?

Yes; to both.

You won.

I was commenting on my schtick when I refered to sarcasm and 'good luck'.

549 posted on 08/26/2013 7:58:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
If you doubt him, he isn’t your savior.

Not so much doubt about HIM; but 'doubt' all these seemingly extraneous things one is supposed to 'believe' and/or 'practice' to ensure RETATINING one's salvation.

I fully believe Jesus' words found in John 6:29.

550 posted on 08/26/2013 8:00:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
Repentance means that you do not repeat the sin deliberately.

Thank GOD!

I've always heard that if you ARE going to sin; try one you've never done before.

551 posted on 08/26/2013 8:01:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yehova’s

Is THIS a true name?

552 posted on 08/26/2013 8:02:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What do Mormon’s believe?


553 posted on 08/26/2013 8:02:52 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
Such folks also ignore the rants of their faithful ally who denies Christ is God our Savior and claims all Christians of any kind are just dupes of a Jesus scam of one kind or another.

Obviously some folks only care about repeating lies and slanders about the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded and not about leading others to Christ.

554 posted on 08/26/2013 8:10:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: narses

Let the heathens rage. Pray for them and their error.


555 posted on 08/26/2013 8:11:56 PM PDT by tekakwitha
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To: Elsie

My apologies, I misunderstood. Cheers!


556 posted on 08/26/2013 9:07:41 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change; Elsie

Elsie sometimes needs to be read with a HUGE grain of salt.


557 posted on 08/27/2013 12:10:09 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses
I guess you AIN'T dead...



558 posted on 08/27/2013 3:46:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses; teppe; Normandy; restornu
What do Mormon’s believe?

It's hard to say as a general statement, for there are HUNDREDs of different .

MY focus on MormonISM is what Scriptures they claim; what History they have and what verbage from it's leaders can be quoted.


THEY then have the opportunity to affirm or deny what their chosen organization has produced.

If you've noticed, I ping a few of them when something interesting about MormonISM shows up on FR.

Now that they no longer have a man in the political arena they want to push; they've remained quite under the radar.

I've used the BIG list of MORMONs found on Resty's home page before; but more ignore the ping. A small few get real huffy that they've been pinged.

559 posted on 08/27/2013 3:55:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses; teppe; Normandy; restornu
What do Mormon’s believe?


Where can we find an 'OFFICIAL MORMON' teaching website??
Official sites are sites supported by LDS officials unless said official sites are considered unofficial by said officials.
 
At that point such sites are unofficial unless officially referenced for official purposes by officials who can do so officially.
 
This should not be misconstrued as an indication that official sites can be unofficially recognized as official nor should it be implied that unofficial sites cannot contain official information, but are not officially allowed to be offical despite their official contents due the their unofficialness.
 
Official sites will be official and recognized as official by officials of the LDS unless there is an official reason to mark them as unofficial either temporally or permanently, which would make the official content officially unofficial.
 
This is also not to imply that recognized sites, often used on FR by haters and bigots cannot contain official information, it just means that content, despite its official status, is no longer official and should be consider unofficial despite the same information being official on an official site elsewhere.
 
Even then the officialness my be amended due to the use of the unofficial information which may determine the officialness of anything be it official or unofficial depending on how and where it is used officially or unofficially.
I hope this clear things up for the lurkers out there.
The haters tend to make things complicated and confusing when it is all really quite crystal clear.
--Ejonesie22

560 posted on 08/27/2013 3:56:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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