Skip to comments.The Age of the Universe
Posted on 08/05/2013 6:15:40 PM PDT by wmfights
We look back in time, and say the universe is 15 billion years old. But as every scientist knows, when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there's another half of the sentence that we rarely bother to say. The other half of the sentence is: The universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates of the earth.
The key is that the Torah looks forward in time, from very different time-space coordinates, when the universe was small. Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretches, and that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time.
(Excerpt) Read more at geraldschroeder.com ...
I can never really figure out why time perception slows with each doubling I would think it would be the opposite because the size has increased it would seem like it's longer.
I thought this was pretty interesting. Any thoughts?
Time will pass slower in denser environments. Thus six days and 15 billion years can be viewed equivalently.
I’m a big fan of Gerald Schroeder.
Genesis is literal. There is no poetry like Revelation. A day is a day. If your human intellect must try to comprehend the math, then realize that sin broke the world and reshaped everything. What was the speed of light before sin corrupted existence? You can not look back at time and apply today’s knowledge like our reality has always been relevant. Before sin entered the world, we have no way of comprehending what that may have been like.
“Genesis is literal.”
Thanks for the help.
Im a big fan of Gerald Schroeder.
I am as well.
I don't disagree.
If I understand Gerald Schroeder correctly what he is pointing out is time is relative to perspective and from our perspective the Biblical timing of creation in 6 days is consistent with our measurements equaling 15 billion years for the existence of the universe.
As am I. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
so let me get this straight the universe is flat which makes it infinite but the current matter expansion is finite but accelerating and the Torah and science agree on the time it took for that and space is stretching but we are near the end of times and time is slowing down as space stretches faster and i can see that people seem to be farther apart but they should have more time for each other and in the midst of all this expansion stretching and dilating His plan is coming together right? right.
I need a 'day' or so to think about it.
I read Hawking’s Brief History of Time and all I got from it was that time was hard to measure in the few moments after creation.
Since noone was standing there with a stop watch, I knew that already.
Per Torah, a day starts at sunset. With no sun, the first day had no start.
I am, among other things, a scientist and I believe the universe was created in 6 literal days, starting with “light.” I am not at all embarrassed by saying that.
Too many people have given up literal belief in God’s word because of the flimsiest of pseudo-science.
They are afraid they will appear backward, so they punish themselves, the opposite of Galileo’s persecution!
More people should read Gerald Schroeder. He can give them some clarity, leading to courage and a realization that science does not rule out anything important in God’s word, but in fact often supports it.
A leap of faith is still needed in this life, but it is not the naive leap the fearful think it is. Faith is both less and more than their unexamined and casual assumptions about it.
Sure. The "Big Bang" idea is a bumch of BS just like evolution. Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mothr of all black holes; nothing would ever "bang" its way out of that.
For that matter, all the idea was ever based on was the mistaken notion of interpreting cosmic redshift as universal expaansion, and Halton Arp has pretty much put that one to rest.
We actually have one planet (Venus) in our system which is ballpark for some sort of a 5K - 10K year age, and Venus LOOKS it: 900-degrees F surface temperature, 90-bar CO2 atmosphere, massive thermal imbalance, massive upwars IR flux, total lack of regolith etc. Since Earth and Mars do not look like that at all, you have to assume they aree substantially older than that, but not hundreds of millions or billions of years old.
My understanding is the first 5 1/2 days are not a part of the Jewish calender because time is described differently in those 5 1/2 days. I believe Rosh Hashana and the counting of time in the Jewish calender begins with Adam who God created on the 6th day.
However, David points out in Ps. that a 1,000 yrs is like a day for God which indicates to me that from God's perspective time is entirely different. Also, Moses differentiates in Duet 32:7 between "the days of old" and "the years of many generations".
I have no doubt that God created everything. I think it's our understanding of what a day is that causes us to miss some of the deeper messages.
As a scientist do you see order arise from chaos in an unguided system?
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