Some Mormons Search the Web and Find Doubt

New York Times ^ | July 20, 2013 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

[Not gonna take it anymore]

In the small but cohesive Mormon community where he grew up, Hans Mattsson was a solid believer and a pillar of the church. He followed his father and grandfather into church leadership and finally became an “area authority” overseeing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout Europe

When fellow believers in Sweden first began coming to him with information from the Internet that contradicted the church’s history and teachings, he dismissed it as “anti-Mormon propaganda,” the whisperings of Lucifer. He asked his superiors for help in responding to the members’ doubts, and when they seemed to only sidestep the questions, Mr. Mattsson began his own investigation.

[ejonesie22]

Mormons defile the very name and ministry of the most beloved Savior. You do not find the Jewish people calling themselves Christian whilst practicing the Jewish faith, you do not find them making up entire books of scripture out of whole cloth, full of lies and fantastic tales of nonexistent places and people.

This is what the LDS has done, stolen the Christian faith's message, rewritten it via the work of con men with fiction that changed the very nature of Christ himself and then proclaim themselves the “Restored” Christian faith.
In turn they send out thousands of very well trained “salesmen” in the guise of “missionaries” in hope of trapping the weakened souls into the cult.

Except for a few other cults that try and usurp the Christian faith, often with much less success, no other religious group does this, pretend to be anything other than what they are. Jews are Jews, Buddhist are Buddhist etc...

God never has, in the entire history of man, called a time out in the battle of the heavens simple because we could not get our act together down here. Indeed often it is turning our back on God more and more during our struggles on this earth that drives our secular world deeper into the abyss.

We must multitask, our enemies are many, here in this world, and beyond...

[boatbums]

I agree. I question the intelligence AND sanity of someone who joins the LDS church. The guys in the really high-up-there positions (i.e., Romney) only stay because of the outward positive face Mormons have regarding their honesty and family values plus the power they get to wield in their own little world.

[Colofornian]

PLEASE NOTE: THIS POST, THO IT RESEMBLES my last post...is distinct from it

From the article: Is it true that Smith took dozens of wives, some as young as 14 and some already wed to other Mormon leaders, to the great pain of his first wife, Emma? About that last question, Mr. Mattsson said, “That was kind of shocking.” Mr. Mattsson said he sought the help of the church’s highest authorities. He said a senior apostle came to Sweden at his request and told a meeting of Mormons that he had a manuscript in his briefcase that, once it was published, would prove all the doubters wrong. But Mr. Mattsson said the promised text never appeared, and when he asked the apostle about it, he was told it was impertinent to ask. (Mr. Mattsson refused to identify the apostle, but others said it was Elder L. Tom Perry, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Elder Perry, now 91, confirmed through a church spokesman that he did visit a branch in Sweden with skeptical members, but said he recalled satisfying their questions with a letter written by the church’s history department.) That encounter is what really set off Mr. Mattsson’s doubts. He began reading everything he could. He listened to the “Mormon Stories” podcasts. And he read “Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling,” a biography by Richard Lyman Bushman, a historian at Columbia University and a prominent Mormon. Mr. Bushman said in a telephone interview: “You would be amazed at the number of Mormons who don’t think Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. It just wasn’t talked about. It was never mentioned in church periodicals. That was policy.”

10th Lds 'prophet' Joseph Fielding Smith defends eternal polygamy jumpstarted by his great-uncle [Joseph Smith's]

Joseph Fielding Smith was a "prophet" of the Mormon Church...in the late 1950s into the early 60s, he wrote a 5-volume question-and-answer style series entitled Doctrines of Salvation.

I've read all 5 volumes. Volume 3 was published in 1979 by the Deseret Book Co. -- a company DIRECTLY owned by THE Official Mormon Church.

In chapter 40, Joseph Fielding Smith takes on question related to the earliest polygamy practiced by Joseph Smith and the earliest Mormons...the chapter was entitled "Plural marriage in the early days"

In his response to a topical question on that matter, Joseph Fielding Smith says:
"According to the teachings and practice in the Church when a man and woman are married in the temple, and the wife dies, the man is at LIBERTY to MARRY ANOTHER wife for time and for ALL eternity." (Vol. 3, p. 162)

So, from a Mormon perspective, what does that mean to them?

It means thus:

Mormon Man Z marries...

...Mormon woman Y...

... "in the temple for all eternity";

Y dies;

...then Mormon Man Z marries Mormon woman X...

"in the temple for all eternity"...

Bottom-line: IN THEIR MIND, the Mormon church is STILL...

...knowingly...

...peddling eternal polygamy...

...as this 'come on' to potential male proselytes...

ALL while they tell the world...

That they 'disengaged from polygamy' over a century ago

[Elsie]

That’s odd Beck said on tape he only converted because his wife refused to have sex with him.

Not quite...

"...my wife-to-be said she wouldn't marry me unless we had a religion we shared..."

(Around the 0:55 timeline.)

[Elsie]

Questions --- for Mormons:

The question is, do you believe Brigham Young to have been a false Prophet?

 

Do ANY of you "damned " SLC mormons reading this, who has gotten any information from your church, that old B.Y. was:

 

1. Speaking the very words of GOD

2. Drunk

3. On peyote

4. REALLY upset at SOMEone

5. Or just running his mouth as a man: a mere mortal, prone to the slings and arrows that beset us all or do you

6. just accept the FACT that you are, truly, damned for not following your Scripture found in D&C 132:58-66?

[Elsie]

That they 'disengaged from polygamy' over a century ago

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HMMMmmm...

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[TheOldLady]

So long, GETONBOARD (Posting History - one post)
Hat Tip to Graybeard58
Troll vilifies all religions and runs smack into a sizzling, crackling FR Pro-God policy


Most religions have been a force for good in the world

Thank you for the great graphic, Mr. Eaker



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

[Elsie]

The Mormon GOD changes His mind about MEAT!!!

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D&C 49:18-19 versus D&C 89:12-13

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The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 49

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to Sidney Rigdon, Parley P. Pratt, and Leman Copley, at Kirtland, Ohio, May 7, 1831. Leman Copley had embraced the gospel but still held to some of the teachings of the Shakers (United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing), to which he had formerly belonged. Some of the beliefs of the Shakers were that Christ’s Second Coming had already occurred and that He had appeared in the form of a woman, Ann Lee. They did not consider baptism by water essential. They rejected marriage and believed in a life of total celibacy. Some Shakers also forbade the eating of meat. In prefacing this revelation, Joseph Smith’s history states, “In order to have [a] more perfect understanding on the subject, I inquired of the Lord, and received the following.” The revelation refutes some of the basic concepts of the Shaker group. The aforementioned brethren took a copy of the revelation to the Shaker community (near Cleveland, Ohio) and read it to them in its entirety, but it was rejected.

1–7, The day and hour of Christ’s coming will remain unknown until He comes; 8–14, Men must repent, believe the gospel, and obey the ordinances to gain salvation; 15–16, Marriage is ordained of God; 17–21, The eating of meat is approved; 22–28, Zion will flourish and the Lamanites blossom as the rose before the Second Coming.

 1 Hearken unto my word, my servants Sidney, and Parley, and Leman; for behold, verily I say unto you, that I give unto you a commandment that you shall go and ^apreach my gospel which ye have received, even as ye have received it, unto the Shakers.

 2 Behold, I say unto you, that they desire to know the truth in part, but not all, for they are not ^aright before me and must needs repent.

 3 Wherefore, I send you, my servants Sidney and Parley, to preach the gospel unto them.

 4 And my servant Leman shall be ordained unto this work, that he may reason with them, not according to that which he has received of them, but according to that which shall be ^ataught him by you my servants; and by so doing I will bless him, otherwise he shall not prosper.

 5 Thus saith the Lord; for I am God, and have ^asent mine ^bOnly Begotten Son into the world for the ^credemption of the world, and have decreed that he that receiveth him shall be saved, and he that receiveth him not shall be ^ddamned—

 6 And they have done unto the ^aSon of Man even as they listed; and he has taken his power on the ^bright hand of his ^cglory, and now reigneth in the heavens, and will reign till he descends on the earth to put all enemies ^dunder his feet, which time is nigh at hand—

 7 I, the Lord God, have spoken it; but the hour and the ^aday no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes.

 8 Wherefore, I will that all men shall repent, for all are under ^asin, except those which I have ^breserved unto myself, ^choly men that ye know not of.

 9 Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting ^acovenant, even that which was from the beginning.

 10 And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the ^anations of the earth shall ^bbow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid ^clow of power.

 11 Wherefore, I give unto you a commandment that ye ^ago among this people, and say unto them, like unto mine apostle of old, whose name was ^bPeter:

 12 ^aBelieve on the name of the Lord Jesus, who was on the earth, and is to come, the beginning and the end;

 13 ^aRepent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, according to the holy commandment, for the remission of sins;

 14 And whoso doeth this shall receive the ^agift of the Holy Ghost, by the laying on of the ^bhands of the elders of the church.

 15 And again, verily I say unto you, that whoso ^aforbiddeth to marry is not ordained of God, for ^bmarriage is ordained of God unto man.

 16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one ^awife, and they twain shall be ^bone flesh, and all this that the ^cearth might answer the end of its creation;

 17 And that it might be filled with the measure of man, according to his ^acreation ^bbefore the world was made.

 18 And whoso ^aforbiddeth to ^babstain from ^cmeats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;

 19 For, behold, the ^abeasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ^bordained for the use of man for food and for ^craiment, and that he might have in abundance.

 20 But it is not given that one man should ^apossess that which is above another, wherefore the ^bworld lieth in ^csin.

 21 And wo be unto man that ^asheddeth blood or that ^bwasteth ^cflesh and hath no need.

 22 And again, verily I say unto you, that the Son of Man ^acometh not in the form of a woman, neither of a man traveling on the earth.

 23 Wherefore, be not ^adeceived, but continue in steadfastness, ^blooking forth for the heavens to be ^cshaken, and the earth to tremble and to reel to and fro as a drunken man, and for the ^dvalleys to be exalted, and for the ^emountains to be made low, and for the rough places to become smooth—and all this when the angel shall sound his ^ftrumpet.

 24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, ^aJacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall ^bblossom as the rose.

 25 Zion shall ^aflourish upon the ^bhills and rejoice upon the mountains, and shall be assembled together unto the place which I have appointed.

 26 Behold, I say unto you, go forth as I have commanded you; repent of all your sins; ^aask and ye shall receive; knock and it shall be opened unto you.

 27 Behold, I will go before you and be your ^arearward; and I will be in your ^bmidst, and you shall not be ^cconfounded.

 28 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, and I come ^aquickly. Even so. Amen.

 

 

 

 

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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[Elsie]

NOW just who I gonna play with today?

Our MORMON posters seem to be cowering in the corner somewhere!

[Elsie]

It took me decades to realize that all religions are based on myths and designed to do 2 things, control the masses and take your money.

Perhaps you meant to type: Political Parties.

[TheOldLady]

I didn’t do it, Sir!

It wasn’t my fault!

I’m not a mod!

I was just reporting that someone got banned!

But he’s probably still lurking anyway, so have at ‘im!

[Elsie]

But he’s probably still lurking anyway, so have at ‘im!

How many times can I post my tagline???

[Elsie]

 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

 

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said;

 and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters,

 houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

 

 

 

 

 

              Oooops!!

 

[Old Sarge]

It took me decades to realize that all religions are based on myths

THNT WHY DO ALL THE MEN I MEET
KEEP REPEATING, "OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD"?

[TheOldLady]

Charming jacket! Ursula is looking lovely today.

Excellent concealment of her many lethal weapons, too.

[Arrowhead1952]

[Colonel_Flagg]

You didn’t last long, did you.

[CommerceComet]

That’s odd Beck said on tape he only converted because his wife refused to have sex with him. There is a video in YouTube

Yet in another YouTube video which Elsie linked, it was his daughter's influence. It sounds like Beck is taking after his hero Joseph Smith with multiple versions of the same story.

If indeed it was his wife's sexual blackmail that forced Beck into the Mormon Church, the Beck family should have read 1 Corinthians 7:1-5. Paul makes it clear that one marriage partner may not unilaterally withhold sexual favors from the other. To do so is sin.

I have not been able to find the quote I was looking for. I know it was on his radio show because I can remember exactly where I was when I heard the quote - there are no TVs at that intersection. Besides I have only seen his TV show a couple of times - my first exposure to it included one of Beck's maudlin, teary-eyed discussions. It disgusted me and I have only seen his show since then when someone else was watching it and I entered the room. I would sometimes listen to his radio show on my way to work because he had the morning time slot and there wasn't anything else on at that time.

I don't remember the exact context in which Beck made the statement about not being able to refute Mormonism. I thought it was before or during his conversion process but the investigation could have occurred afterwards, I guess. Who needs evidence when your daughter has a burning in the bosom or you get a coincidental phone call or your wife is sexually blackmailing you or whatever? I just remember saying aloud in total disbelief "Really?".

[TheOldLady]

He just stumbled into the wrong site.

One post was enough to have him escorted out of here. Would that all the trolls were that easily unmasked and given the boot.