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Jesus, Who loves you, warned of Hell – A Catalogue of Jesus’ Warning texts.
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | May 27, 2013 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/28/2013 3:03:32 PM PDT by NYer

Many people today put Hell in opposition to the love of God. But Jesus combines them. Here is an important truth: No one loves you more than Jesus Christ. And yet, no one spoke of or taught on Hell and Judgment more than Jesus Christ. There is from him, warning after warning, parable after parable, that speak and warn, even shout judgment and the reality of Hell.

No “heresy” of our day is more widespread or pernicious than the “heresy” that denies hell and the proclaimed truth of its existence and sad its frequency. I say “heresy” in quotes only because I, as a simple priest, do not have the power to declare formal heresy. However, “heresy” in the broader and descriptive sense means simply to pick and choose among revealed truth. The “heretic” confronted with truths that are in some some tension (such as God’s Justice and mercy or human freedom and God’s sovereignty) choose one and throw out the other to resolve the tension. Orthodoxy says “both” but heresy picks one and discards the other.

And thus, in teaching on Hell and judgment, the modern and heretical, mindset cannot reconcile the mercy and love of God with the reality of Hell, and eternal separation from God.

And yet, the Lord of Love, Jesus, spoke of these more than any other. The problem is in us, not in Jesus, not in the Father. The problem is in us.

We simply refuse, in this modern age, to obey what is taught and to accept that we, who are free, make choices that ultimately matter. We have been bewitched by the fairy tale ending that “everyone lived happily ever after.” We are convinced that it must be so and deny that our choices build to constitute our character, and that our character ushers in our chosen destiny. We refuse to take responsibility for the fact that we make choices that build and will one day never be renounced by us. Instead we blame God and call him (who sent his own Son to save us) the bad one, and responsible party when it comes to Hell.

Meanwhile God is pleading, “Come to me, come to me before it is finally time to rise and close the door!”

Bottom line: either God is Love and we are free to choose him or not, in our own act of Love, or God is a slave driver and, no matter what, what have to go to his heaven and live with Him for ever. In other words, freedom means choice, and choice permits the “no” to God. And thus there is hell.

We need to be sober about this. Jesus was. And he warned, and warned, and warned; he pleaded and pleaded. He knows whereof we are made and how stubborn and stiff-necked we are, that we don’t like being told what to do. Yes Jesus sadly observed that many, indeed “most” prefer reigning to Hell to serving in Heaven (cf Matt 7:13 inter al).

We must overcome our smug presumption that salvation is a done deal and hear again the pleading in love of our Messiah and Lord, Jesus. We must allow him to warn us in love, we must allow him to ignite holy fear, and, if necessary even servile fear, in order to sober us and draw us to be serious about the work necessary to save us.

In service of this plea, I want to present in one place a kind of compendium or collection of “warning texts” as a sort of antidote to the heresy of modern times that denies the reality and possibility of Hell. As I hope this document will show, those who deny Hell, or its possibility must reject a huge number of Biblical texts to do so.

The texts that follow are only some of the texts that could be quoted. I encourage you dear reader to add to the list I have compiled and abbreviated for space. I will publish a final version after you have added to it.

But please, let us all realize this rock bottom truth: No one loves you more than Jesus. Yet no one warned of Judgment and Hell more than Jesus, no one. Allow the Lord to wed these ideas in your mind. Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling, calling, O Sinner, come home! Do not buy into the modern “heresy” of universal salvation. Jesus did not teach this, neither did the Apostles, his appointed spokesmen and successors in ministry. Do not overrule or correct Jesus. Just accept what he taught and listen in love and faith. Hell is real, we need a savior. But he needs our yes.

Here then are many texts, not all, that warn of Hell, form God’ word. Most of them right from the mouth of Jesus. [Please note: I have attached these quotes in PDF format for your convenience here: Texts on Hell and Judgment]

Texts on Hell and Judgment

Here are just two Old Testament Texts that serve as an example of the prophetic tradition into which Jesus will draw.

Is 35:8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

Is 66:24And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

Matt 3:12His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.It is John the Baptist who speaks here.

Matt 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. Yes, even unrighteous anger, unrepeated of can bring forth hell. We tend to justify our anger. Pay attention, God does not and warns that we cannot cling to it and walk into heaven.

Matt 5:29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. We make light of sin, but the Lord does not. What he is saying here is not to mutilate ourselves, but, rather, that it is more serious to sin than to lose our eye, or foot or hand. We do not think this way. But God does and warns us that our most serious problem is not our physical health or finances or any other passing problem. Our most serious problem is our sin.

Matt 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. A pretty clear waring here that we must allow God to give us the give of mercy and forgiveness or we cannot enter heaven. Blessed are the merciful, for (only they) will obtain mercy.

Matt 7: 13 Jesus said, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Do you see this? More are lost than are saved. A mysterious text in terms of its sweeping quality – why would God permit this? But it is a text that is pretty plain in its meaning – most are lost! Hear Jesus’ pleading here and be sober about how stubborn and stiff-necked we can be!

Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Jesus is talking about himself here and calling us to a holy fear.

Matt 11:23 And you, Capernaum! You won’t be lifted up to heaven, will you? You’ll go down to Hell! Because if the miracles that happened in you had taken place in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. Don’t think that because you’re a member of “the club” you’re in. Indeed, for those who have heard and seen, more is required, not less.

Matt 12:36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. Yes, even the gossip we make light of will be required of us. Lord have mercy!

Matt 13: 24-30 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’  ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them “Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ” So there is a day of judgment, not now, but it will come.

Matt 22:1-14 The Parable of the Wedding BanquetJesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come. “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’ “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless. “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” A Shocking parable who, in the end accepts the “no” of the invited guests. As for the wedding garment, remember, it is provided by God (cf Rev 19:8). Thus the refusal to wear the robe of righteousness is on us, not on God.

Matt 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

Matt 24:36-51 The Day and Hour UnknownBut about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Beware of presumption and making light of sin!

Matt 25:1-13The Parable of the Ten VirginsAt that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’ “ ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. The groom delays, but not forever!

Matt 25:26-30 Parable of the talents – ConclusionHis master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “ ‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.We will reckon for what we have done and failed to do with our gifts.

Matt 25:41-46 Sheep and Goats – ConclusionThen he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Reward or loss, you decide.

Mark 9:42 – 48 Giving ScandalIf anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where “ ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’ Those who lead others to sin are going to have to answer to Jesus for what they have done. Do not doubt this. Pray that all repent prior to the day of reckoning!

Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. You can’t hide from God.

Luke 12:42Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. Against presumption

Luke 13:22-30 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.” Hell an exclusion are quite real. Jesus is pointing to fear here. Some call fear “unhealthy,” but Jesus is willing to use it if it will shake you and me up and bring forth repentance.

Luke 16:19-31 Lazarus and Dives“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ Contempt and indifference toward the poor is a damnable sin. Note too, the rich man does not change after death. He is locked into his patterns. He does not ask to come to heaven, he wants Lazarus sent to Hell. He still does not regard the dignity of Lazarus, he still sees him as an errand boy. The Rich man, after death is miserable, but cannot and will not change. Here is a teaching on our fixed character after death which explains why Hell is eternal, we will never change.

John 12:48-50 If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.Hence we, in effect bring judgment on ourselves. We might wish to blame God. But, at the end of the day, we show, by our own disposition that we are not apt for heaven and would not be happy there at all, since it is the full realization of many things we either detest or scoff at, such as love of the poor, love of and forgiveness of enemies, chasity, worship of God, and so forth.

Rev 22:12-16 “Look, I am coming soon! Says the Lord. My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Jesus speaks here in vivid terms of sinners as dogs and cowards. Pay attention. The “Mister Rogers” version of Jesus, the harmless Hippie Jesus, in not the Jesus of Scripture.

Jesus commissioned the Apostles to preach, teach, govern and sanctify in His name, and thus, in hearing them in the following quotes, we hear Jesus.

Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. Only those open to God making them holy can endure the bright lights of the Kingdom of God.

Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Pay attention modern age that has shredded marriage at every turn.

James 2:12-13 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. Help us to show mercy Lord, for the measure we measure to others will be measured back to us.

Romans 2:3-11 Do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism. Judged by deeds, not by prerogatives or by being better than someone else.

1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. Let us be clear, though the modern world makes light of sexual sins, God does not and warns that these sins render us incapable of bright lights of heaven since we “prefer the darkness (cf John 3:18)

1 Cor 9: 26-27 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. If even Paul realized he had to be sober, why not us?

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and tremblingSome call fear unhealthy, God is willing to appeal to it.

Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Not inherit heaven = will go to Hell

Eph 5:3-7 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Once again, sexual sin, which many make light of, God says excludes us from the Kingdom of God, i.e. we go to Hell if we die unrepentant since we, preferring the darkness cannot stand the light.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: finaljudgment; hades; hell; jesus; judgment; msgrcharlespope

1 posted on 05/28/2013 3:03:32 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Realm of darkness, ping!


2 posted on 05/28/2013 3:04:28 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Pretty dark, gloomy and scary ...

Thank GOD HE offered,
"Whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord .. shall .. be .. saved."

3 posted on 05/28/2013 3:30:47 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: NYer

This has no mention of other references to hell:

Ghenna, Hades, Sheol, underworld, netherworld, etc., so in my opinion, it is only a partial list.


4 posted on 05/28/2013 3:38:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
The author readily admits:

The texts that follow are only some of the texts that could be quoted. I encourage you dear reader to add to the list I have compiled and abbreviated for space. I will publish a final version after you have added to it.

Note that he is flat-out asking for help ... Your mission, should you choose to accept it ...

5 posted on 05/28/2013 3:46:42 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

What’s being described in Corinthians and Galatians is ALL Sin!

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”

But in those same chapters, read on for a few more verses:

Gal 5:24 “And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”

1 Corinthians 6:11: “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

So for those who believe, “John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10” their sins are washed away and salvation is given not by their own works, but by the blood of Jesus Christ!


6 posted on 05/28/2013 3:53:46 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: NYer
Bottom line: either God is Love and we are free to choose him or not, in our own act of Love, or God is a slave driver and, no matter what, what have to go to his heaven and live with Him for ever. In other words, freedom means choice, and choice permits the “no” to God. And thus there is hell.

Poor logic and completely Pelagian. There is another "choice".

God is NOT a slave drive. God is love, beauty, and perfection. God calls to us and keeps calling... and calling... and calling. We, in our nasty rebellious state want none of it. God gives us commandments to help us. We don't want to obey them. God gives us a promise land. We want to worship idols. God sends His Son. We kill Him. This is what man is all about and is there any question that we should not go to hell. In fact, given our history we would rather be in hell then to be with God in our natural state.

Make no mistake, God purposely has to change our hearts to follow Him. This isn't a "choice" because we would choose not to. And even when God has changed our hearts we half heartedly follow Him. He has to work out His will in us. Yet God is satisfied by His own goodness to welcome His prodical sons and daughters home and cloth us with His righteousness, put rings on our fingers and kills the fatted calf. This is the great love of the Father. He SAVED US and He who began a good work in us will complete it.

This is the grace of God to the glory of His name. Christians can only stand back and say, "Why me?" There is no answer to that question because we don't deserve anything.
7 posted on 05/28/2013 4:00:09 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: NYer

This is why I went back to Church and wear a Jesus bracelet. I hope that interested people will watch the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTU7MfOgDKM

Thanks, Susan


8 posted on 05/28/2013 4:09:48 PM PDT by coronado
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To: HarleyD
"Bottom line: either God is Love and we are free to choose him or not, in our own act of Love, or God is a slave driver and, no matter what, what have to go to his heaven and live with Him for ever. In other words, freedom means choice, and choice permits the “no” to God. And thus there is hell."

Poor logic and completely Pelagian. There is another "choice".

If those first two descriptions are my only two choices, inspired Scripture leads me to vote "slave driver". However He makes each of us, we glorify God by serving His intended purpose for us:

You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
-- Romans 9:19-24

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
--John 6:44a


9 posted on 05/28/2013 4:24:01 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: HarleyD

Amen to that...


10 posted on 05/28/2013 4:36:49 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: coronado
Very powerful! You may want to purchase a few more bracelets for your friends after you read this. The Testimony of Gloria Polo
11 posted on 05/28/2013 4:56:56 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Thank you so much for that!


12 posted on 05/28/2013 5:38:38 PM PDT by coronado
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To: coronado

Wow— Ian is passionate about his encounter with Light and God in heaven. Reminds me of that scripture “he who is forgiven much, loves much..... Luke 7:47


13 posted on 05/28/2013 6:33:19 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: HarleyD

Oh Daddy!
Oh Daddy! My Father will always forgive me.

Why I sinned an broke the picket fence but Daddy will always forgive myself.

So I sinned again I broke the window Daddy will always forgive me.

I sinned and busted the pipes. Water is everywhere but Daddy will always forgive.

I do not have to humble myself Daddy will do it for me.

I have tears in me eyes Daddy does it all!

Why I am not responsible for myself. Daddy does it all by himself.

Oh Daddy declared me a spoiled brat.

I played with Matches. The Couch burned then caused the drapes to burn. Now No house anymore.

I have not seen my Daddy in a few weeks.

Why the last time he had a gun. He shot three bullets into my car.

I am three states away from Daddy.

He does everything I do not understand.

Oh Daddy! Oh Daddy!

I guess I am eternally separated

He did say “ I never want to see you again.”

Yet he still was running toward me with the Gun to get close to me.

I did not want to look like swiss cheese

Oh Dadddyyyyyy!!!

But Daddy I have tears in me eyes you do it all.

Daddy caught up with me!

I am now on a shelf being sold as Swiss Cheeseeeeee!

Oh!!! Daddy!

You do it All!

Echo!

Tears in me eyes!

Oh Daddddyyyyyyyyy

Don’t ya luv me anymore you do it all!!!

The above Swiss cheese was last seen on a ham sandwhich which was totally eaten.

The Parable of the no salt Swiss Cheeseeeeeee.........


14 posted on 05/29/2013 1:10:39 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace
The problem we have is that we have an over inflated sense of self worth. We think like Laban that if God will avenge Cain, He'll do so much more for us. There is a piety in us that think that God really, really needs us and wants to have fellowship with us. The Jews thought like this during Jeremiah's time even though they had stock the temple with idols. God loved them. He didn't really care if they baked cakes to the queen of heaven. It was a way to appease everyone and, hey, it was fun. Jeremiah was a crazy old coot that wanted them to betray the king and surrender to Babylonia. Surely God wouldn't bring His wrath on the "chosen" people.

There is a reason why God constantly refers to us in scripture as "perverted", "wicked", "unrighteous", "adulterous", "evil", on and on and on. It isn't because it's old school because Christ Himself referred to us this way. So did the writers of the New Testament. Nor should it be looked at as God was really, really angry and didn't know what He was saying. Or that He's a grouch. Rather it is an objective analysis of precisely what we are. We are unrighteous. We are evil. We are perverted. God is perfectly right and very correct in calling us these things because that is what we are. Most of us just don't like to hear it as your post indicates. And even after we're saved we don't like to think about ourselves in these terms. But Peter knew that we could slip into our old habits and become "murderers" or, just as bad, "gossipers".

The only reason that we come to Christ is because God opened up our eyes and ears to see and hear the truth about our sinful nature. But if we can't understand this relationship, if we can't understand our wickedness and our need of a Savior, then we need to question whether we're saved at all. If we don't understand that we're evil, then what is the purpose of even needing a Savior? Quite frankly, this is what repentance is all about-wanting to be healed from our unrighteousness. And the only way we understand that we are evil, is that God reveals it to us. He brings us to repentance. This is the basic principle of Christianity-understanding and turning away from our wickedness. Not perfectly, but a little bit at a time. And Christians are more than happy to receive the Lord's discipline because this is how we know that we're loved by God.

But we must recognize our sinfulness and cry out to God to be healed.

Joy comes in the morning.
15 posted on 05/29/2013 6:22:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
I have met too many people who believe in "once saved always saved' while cheating on wife. Sorry you definitely have to live the life. It is all in there to live the life. This kind of thinking has ruined many lives. I have seen it time and time again. I think the whole country has been ruined by these pusher of this "garbage".

Please do not give any "well there were not saved in the first -place."

No disrespect to people here on this forum. I believe most live the life. I have private discussions with many at times. There are people who have believed this wording that live the life but too many have been ruined in all the churches. The modern tv church has made it look too easy. It is sad.

Lets just say a few "magic' words and we are saved period. This is from the pit. Read the bible in context.

Peace In Christ.

16 posted on 05/29/2013 6:46:22 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

There’s a saying that I heard many years ago that the church is like Noah’s ark. You can only stand the stench inside because of the storm outside. I think that is so true.

You may wish to recall that not only did King David cheated with Bathsheba, but he then turned right around and murder her honorable husband just to cover up his sinfulness. This is a reflection of the condition of our human behavior. There were very few people who had a heart for God like David. We can’t judge others because we ourselves have this same wickedness in our hearts.

There is a price to be paid for any sin that we may commit. The Lord hastens us and chastise us, just as He did with King David. That doesn’t mean God love him any less or that his salvation was in danger.


17 posted on 05/30/2013 2:13:31 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: NYer

All the NDE’s or “near death experiences” that some people have had and have been written about in a number of books are more often than not confirming what the Bible has been teaching for years.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 5:47:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Please elaborate.


19 posted on 06/02/2013 4:23:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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