Posted on 03/28/2013 7:53:15 AM PDT by NYer
Pat Robertson on gay marriage
In history there's never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing, and has survived. There isn't one single civilization that has survived that openly embraced homosexuality. So you say, "what's going to happen to America?" Well if history is any guide, the same thing's going to happen to us.
In addition to Pat Robertson’s point I would note that the normalization of homosexuality has pretty much always been associated with the decline and fall of once great civilizations.
True.
And if that is indeed the case WE are ripe for a BIG decline and an even BIGGER fall.
We have come to this. Judge Sotomayor made the point that a law based on morality would be unconstitutional. We need an amendment to put God back into our Constitution as a nation under God. Precedent - Prohibition was reversed.
We are in the middle of it right now.
Nothing good will ever come by trying to please the Homo-deranged.
The fix is in. This major push for gay marriage is occurring in a non election year. The Republican establishment has determined it is losing elections due to the social issues. It is throwing in the towel on gay marriage to get the subject off the table. It has also given in on federally funded abortions and birth control. Next capitulation is amnesty for illegals which they also want to push through this year.
With abortion, amnesty, and gay marriage off the table the party powers believe they can focus on economic issues to win the 2014 congressional elections. Based on history they are counting on conservatives to once again support them as the lesser of two evils. They’ve concluded the conservative base can’t marshall the financial resources to create a viable third party having seen the Tea Party movement fizzle in 2012.
If Kennedy votes with the progressives, count on Roberts to go with him to avoid a 5-4 split. If Kennedy stays with Scalia, Alito, and Thomas, Roberts will be faced with a 5-4 vote whichever way he goes. If it is true the White House has information to blackmail him, it isn’t hard to figure out where this one will land.
I do think we have that kind of people. However we have a growing number of people who wish to provide exceptions for immorality. These people find the Adams' limitation as useful to their challenge. If laws like DOMA can be overturned by the Constitution, then the Constitution should be amended.
Whether that's the reason -- "losing elections due to the social issues" -- or merely visceral distaste for social conservatism, the national GOP elites seem to want to follow the "Massachusetts model." The MA GOP has been liberal on social issues for maybe 30 years or more. Its "official" position is supposed silence on social issues, but the reality is that the party will recruit and support a social liberal in a primary if a social conservative has the temerity to declare. Normally, it just recruits social liberals.
So how is this working out electorally? I believe the GOP currently holds 10-12% of legislative seats and no state-wide offices. IIRC, they held a "high" of 15% of the legislature before Romney (apparently hand-picked by the MA GOP) was governor. We've had Republican governors, but our last conservative governor was Ed King in the early 80s -- and he was a Democrat (later ousted by Dukakis).
This may go a long way to explaining why only about half of those eligible to register/vote actually vote in MA.
“If they are to succeed in their cause, those who now claim that same-sex marriage is a “right” must eradicate from American law and society the true and only sustainable rationale for any right at all.
That, of course, is that rights are immutable things that come from God that they are part of the natural moral law that all men and all nations have an inescapable duty to obey.”
Mr. Jeffrey really hits the nail on the head here. Remove this nation’s reliance on God and you have conquered her. Without God as here life-source she is floundering and easy target for rape and slavery if not destruction. Mr. Jeffrey’s argument should be tactfully and compellingly submitted by an influential friend of the court.
“It’s the Constitution, Stupid!”
The Massachusetts experience, as well as the California experience, demonstrates why the GOP will die given the route it has chosen. The experience in those states also doesn’t give much hope a competitive alternative conservative third party can be created on the national stage. The cost of running campaigns is too high for a third party, funded by average citizens, to overcome. That’s why Obama walked away from federal financing of campaigns in 2008 in order to pursue unlimited campaign contributions.
I suspect going forward the GOP will have great difficulty raising money. Wall Street backed Romney but learned its lesson and will go back to being reliably Democrat. The pressure put on the Koch brothers tells independently wealthy people who have business interests not to venture into supporting conservative politics. Business people who have any dealings with government or whose businesses are in any way regulated know giving to conservative causes opens their organizations up to attack from the media, bureaucrats, and liberal judges. Over the next few years the Democrats will use their power to cut off funding for the opposition.
The Republican Party is voluntarily committing suicide by walking away from its base and capitulating on every issue. We are headed toward one party rule with a token opposition party controlled by the dominant party.
Which could produce all that is needed for a second revolt.
Back in 1969, an Italian immigrant, after surveying the rising feminist movement in the US, made a startling comment. In Italy, children receive a classic education; i.e. they study the ancient civilizations while simultaneously learning their languages, customs, traditions and culture. He had studied both Ancient Rome and Greece. He explained that throughout history, every time women began to rise to power, they were soon followed by a rise in homosexuals demanding equal rights. He predicted that in my lifetime, if the pattern he saw then (1969!) went unchecked, I would see the collapse of our society. At the time I laughed ... it seemed totally preposterous ... but I never forgot his prognostication.
"Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it" - George Santayana
This medium offers few clues to age but let me share some advice that may serve you well as you mature.
Somewhere in this world, there is a man who is so fed up with Rachel Weiss or (fill-in-the-name) that he can hardly stand her any longer.
I know, doesnt help much but it does help a little.
The most brilliant strategy of the gay marriage movement is language. If they can redefine a key term like “marriage” they win. Control language and you control thought; control thought and you control action; control action and you control the world, for example, in Canada it’s a crime, punishable by a fine or even imprisonment, to speak against homosexuality in public and other politically incorrect ideas, such as Biblical morality, are considered evil.
There’ll come a time when they redefine pederasty...even more souls for their god Lucifer. Our children will be taught from Kindergarten upwards that it’s a “right”.
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