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GOP's salvation lies in being more 'Catholic'
Fredericksburg ^ | November 18, 2012 | Michael Gershon

Posted on 11/18/2012 3:09:30 PM PST by NYer

WASHINGTON--The Catholic Church--a politically and ethnically sprawling institution--has no natural home on the American ideological spectrum. Neither major party combines moral conservatism with a passion for social justice. So Catholic leaders have often challenged Democrats to be more pro-life and Republicans to be more concerned about immigrants and the poor.

But President Obama's first term was a period of unexpected aggression against the rights of religious institutions. His Justice Department, in the Hosanna-Tabor case, argued against the existence of any "ministerial exception" to employment rules. Obama tried to mandate that Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities offer insurance coverage for contraceptives and abortifacients. His revised policy still asserts a federal power to declare some religious institutions secular in purpose, reducing them to second-rate status under the First Amendment.

On top of this, Obama ran a stridently pro-abortion re-election campaign, seeking culture-war advantage on an issue he seldom mentioned four years ago.

The Catholic hierarchy and more traditional Catholic laymen reacted as you'd expect. Bishops issued pastoral letters in defense of religious liberty. Conservative and pro-life groups organized in battleground states.

The result? According to the first cut of exit poll analysis by the Pew Research Center, Obama's support among white Catholics fell to 40 percent--seven points lower than four years ago. It was one of the largest swings of any portion of the electorate. John Green of the University of Akron argues that the religious liberty issue came to "encapsulate other concerns such as abortion and marriage" among many regular mass attendees.

In a close election, this reaction might have made all the difference. But the election wasn't particularly close. And the trend among white Catholics was partially offset by Latino Catholics moving in the opposite direction for reasons unrelated to abortion or religious freedom. (Obama gained three points among Hispanic Catholics and took three-quarters of their votes.) In the end, Obama won the total Catholic vote by a small margin.

This result reveals a tension at the heart of the Republican coalition. The portion of that coalition that is pushing away Latino Catholics is making the political work of conservative Catholics far more difficult.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: gop; republican
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1 posted on 11/18/2012 3:09:39 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
According to the first cut of exit poll analysis by the Pew Research Center, Obama's support among white Catholics fell to 40 percent--seven points lower than four years ago.

There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

2 posted on 11/18/2012 3:11:02 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

I am a strict-constructionist fallen-away catholic agnostic who couldn’t disagree more. The Constitution needs to be re instituted. Belief in this deity or that is meaningless as it pertains to our drain-circling republic.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 3:16:41 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Pandering to any group should be a no.


4 posted on 11/18/2012 3:20:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer
Here was today's gospel reading for Catholics:

GOSPEL Mk 13:24-32
Jesus said to his disciples:
"In those days after that tribulation
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
and the stars will be falling from the sky,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

"And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds'
with great power and glory,
and then he will send out the angels
and gather his elect from the four winds,
from the end of the earth to the end of the sky.

"Learn a lesson from the fig tree.
When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves,
you know that summer is near.
In the same way, when you see these things happening,
know that he is near, at the gates.
Amen, I say to you,
this generation will not pass away
until all these things have taken place.
Heaven and earth will pass away,
but my words will not pass away.

"But of that day or hour, no one knows,
neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

I wish I could have recorded our priest's homily this week. It was as stark and dire as I have ever heard from a priest. He was bluntly telling us, correctly, that we are heading into a time of persecution, but also that this will be a great time for Church renewal. We will have to evangelize again, and starting with ourselves.

5 posted on 11/18/2012 3:21:15 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: NYer

“So Catholic leaders have often challenged Democrats to be more pro-life and Republicans to be more concerned about immigrants and the poor.”

Gentlemen do not discuss the unspeakable in public, and thus I ignore the above sentence content dealing with Democrats.

However, the part about “Catholic leaders” challenging Republicans to “be more concerned with immigrants and the poor” deserves a critical review.

“Catholic leaders” are assumed to live as examples of, and act in light of what G*d is said to have given Man as recorded in the Old & New Testaments. Therein is the line about ‘having the poor with you always’.

And, Jesus was supposed to have said that those who would not work would not eat. But, what did He know.

Unwilling to accept Divine perspectives on poverty and sloth, the activists/commies/queers in the Catholic Church decided that they were wiser than the alleged source cited in the Old/New Testaments and struck off boldly where not only did angels fear to tread, as even the angels were forbidden to tread that path.

Once upon a time, long, long ago, theft was theft. Likewise, that Man had to work after expulsion from the Garden of Eden was once accepted as the will of G*d. But, what did He know? Interpretation of the Scriptures led to exactly where was predicted.

“You shall teach these laws diligently unto your children” was considered to mean what it says, and people and theologians alike knew the difference between “teach” and “interpret”

Liberation Theology was, in essence, socialism. Socialism violates a certain Commandment regarding the Divine prohibition against stealing. Try as I have, I could find no phrase in that Commandment which can in any way be taken a justification or authorization to use government to steal for either oneself or another.

Along with rampant homosexual takeover of seminaries, the Catholic Church embraced “Liberation Theology” which was merely small ‘c’ communism with a flavor of theology.

Public rejection of the Church (but not the Scriptures) has become widespread, and another Reformation is occurring as we watch. Interestingly, the Soviets repressed the Church for nearly a century, and in the end, the Church is growing and the Soviet Union is gone (more or less).


7 posted on 11/18/2012 3:51:23 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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And I think it is wrong.

If you've read any post-election news reports, you might be thinking that we lost the Catholic vote big time.

But that's not true.

The media are already trumpeting the news that the “Catholic vote” went for Barack Obama 50-48. But like every headline, there's more to the story.

The Catholic vote cannot be understood correctly without defining what we mean by “Catholic.” And since 2000, intelligent political observers agree that the best way to measure the Catholic vote is to break up the generic “Catholic vote” into those that regularly attend Mass (active Catholics) and those that do not regularly attend Mass (inactive Catholics).

So what happened in 2012? Here are the facts:  

Active Catholics accounted for 11% of the electorate in 2012 and voted 57-42 for Mitt Romney over President Obama. This represents a 14-point swing from 2008.

This means that hundreds of thousands of Catholics changed their vote from 4 years ago -- voting this this time for the candidate representing life, family, and freedom.

That said, the results were clear, and we fell short of our goal, in part because of the impact of the Hispanic Catholic vote (75-21 for Obama), single women voters and young people. We can’t solve every electoral problem. Our job is to educate, activate and mobilize the Catholic vote. And 42% of Mass attending Catholics voting for a President who stands against virtually everything we believe is simply unacceptable.

Inactive Catholics represented 13% of the electorate and voted 56-42 for President Obama. Regrettably, the electoral difficulties with these Catholic voters will inevitably persist. They remain our brothers and sisters in the Faith, and so we will never give up in inviting them to take seriously the call of our Church. Perhaps the best way to help these voters is to urge them to go to Mass more frequently and let the Holy Spirit take it from there!

We have every right to be disappointed, but we shouldn’t ignore the progress we made. More and more active Catholics are waking up and voting for faith, family and freedom. We’re making steady progress, but much more must be done.

And regardless of the results, there is never any shame in fighting for what is right, win or lose.



8 posted on 11/18/2012 4:32:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: gorush
Baptized a Catholic -- always a Catholic. We welcome you back at any time.



9 posted on 11/18/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Social justice is bull crap. What it really means is Marxism, unions and confiscating money from people and companies and shipping it off to irresponsible “charities,” which year after year give money to third world dictators that continue to starve their people.

Can someone name one country that we’ve given all these aid and comfort to that has turned around? They all continue to be a mess.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 4:37:06 PM PST by TJ Jackson
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To: Salvation

Whatever, I’m just here for the conservative politics. Discussing unprovable entities just seems like a waste of time to me.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 4:38:27 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: NYer
There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

Then you somehow missed the post election threads (plural) trying to blame white evangelicals for losing the election because they only 79% voted for Romney. And yet even weekly Catholic attendees did not come that close.

And thus if anything, GOP's salvation lies in being more historically 'Evangelical'

12 posted on 11/18/2012 5:10:25 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NYer; metmom; boatbums; Lera; CynicalBear; Springfield Reformer
There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

Then you somehow missed the post election threads (plural) trying to blame white evangelicals for losing the election because they only 79% voted for Romney. And yet even weekly Catholic attendees did not come that close.

And thus if anything, GOP's salvation lies in being more historically 'Evangelical'


13 posted on 11/18/2012 5:12:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GladesGuru
Interestingly, the Soviets repressed the Church for nearly a century, and in the end, the Church is growing and the Soviet Union is gone (more or less).

The Russian Orthodox is growing as the State church, and as in history past, consistent (Gal. 4:29) with the overall institutionalized unregenerate nature it is using the arm of the flesh to persecute the "competition."

Church Demolished: Russia's Fading Religious Freedom

Russia's minority Christians fear return to Soviet era persecution ...

Authorities Target Baptist Churches in Lipetsk, Russia | The ...

Russia Fines Christians For Meeting For Worship « Persecution News

14 posted on 11/18/2012 5:20:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: gorush

Are you saying that Christ and the Church he founded are unprovable?

I don’t think so.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL

This has nothing to do with “pandering.” Unless, of course, you consider a statement of principles to be pandering (to what?).

The GOP abandoned its principles, picked an anti-constitutionalist, pro-abortion, pro-gay, non-Christian inherited wealth guy...and they wonder why Catholics didn’t vote?


17 posted on 11/18/2012 5:58:02 PM PST by livius
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Please God, favor the diocese I’m in with a courageous priest like Vince has.”

You know what I heard today? A treatise on the word “provoke”. Yes.
With all the heavy prophecy spoken, by Jesus Himself, directly to His disciples, we get a treatise on the word “provoke”. I could sit there and cry of starvation for lack of being fed, but for the scene it might cause.

I’m dyin’ here, and angry! The blind are in the Church and too many are priests.


18 posted on 11/18/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: NYer

The republicans have won the Catholic 5 times in history, possibly 6 if 1956 is accepted.

They may win it once or twice more, but possibly never again.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 7:44:50 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: TJ Jackson
Social justice is bull crap.

Taking care of the poor is a mandate from Jesus to individuals, IOW, the CHURCH, not the government.

Church people of any denomination have, and had, NO business whatsoever of voting away their responsibility as individuals to care for the poor.

They have abdicated their responsibility before God and that is what has gotten us into the mess we're in.

And they/we will have to answer for it.

20 posted on 11/18/2012 9:29:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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