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GOP's salvation lies in being more 'Catholic'
Fredericksburg ^ | November 18, 2012 | Michael Gershon

Posted on 11/18/2012 3:09:30 PM PST by NYer

WASHINGTON--The Catholic Church--a politically and ethnically sprawling institution--has no natural home on the American ideological spectrum. Neither major party combines moral conservatism with a passion for social justice. So Catholic leaders have often challenged Democrats to be more pro-life and Republicans to be more concerned about immigrants and the poor.

But President Obama's first term was a period of unexpected aggression against the rights of religious institutions. His Justice Department, in the Hosanna-Tabor case, argued against the existence of any "ministerial exception" to employment rules. Obama tried to mandate that Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities offer insurance coverage for contraceptives and abortifacients. His revised policy still asserts a federal power to declare some religious institutions secular in purpose, reducing them to second-rate status under the First Amendment.

On top of this, Obama ran a stridently pro-abortion re-election campaign, seeking culture-war advantage on an issue he seldom mentioned four years ago.

The Catholic hierarchy and more traditional Catholic laymen reacted as you'd expect. Bishops issued pastoral letters in defense of religious liberty. Conservative and pro-life groups organized in battleground states.

The result? According to the first cut of exit poll analysis by the Pew Research Center, Obama's support among white Catholics fell to 40 percent--seven points lower than four years ago. It was one of the largest swings of any portion of the electorate. John Green of the University of Akron argues that the religious liberty issue came to "encapsulate other concerns such as abortion and marriage" among many regular mass attendees.

In a close election, this reaction might have made all the difference. But the election wasn't particularly close. And the trend among white Catholics was partially offset by Latino Catholics moving in the opposite direction for reasons unrelated to abortion or religious freedom. (Obama gained three points among Hispanic Catholics and took three-quarters of their votes.) In the end, Obama won the total Catholic vote by a small margin.

This result reveals a tension at the heart of the Republican coalition. The portion of that coalition that is pushing away Latino Catholics is making the political work of conservative Catholics far more difficult.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: gop; republican

1 posted on 11/18/2012 3:09:39 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
According to the first cut of exit poll analysis by the Pew Research Center, Obama's support among white Catholics fell to 40 percent--seven points lower than four years ago.

There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

2 posted on 11/18/2012 3:11:02 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

I am a strict-constructionist fallen-away catholic agnostic who couldn’t disagree more. The Constitution needs to be re instituted. Belief in this deity or that is meaningless as it pertains to our drain-circling republic.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 3:16:41 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Pandering to any group should be a no.


4 posted on 11/18/2012 3:20:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer
Here was today's gospel reading for Catholics:

GOSPEL Mk 13:24-32
Jesus said to his disciples:
"In those days after that tribulation
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
and the stars will be falling from the sky,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

"And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds'
with great power and glory,
and then he will send out the angels
and gather his elect from the four winds,
from the end of the earth to the end of the sky.

"Learn a lesson from the fig tree.
When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves,
you know that summer is near.
In the same way, when you see these things happening,
know that he is near, at the gates.
Amen, I say to you,
this generation will not pass away
until all these things have taken place.
Heaven and earth will pass away,
but my words will not pass away.

"But of that day or hour, no one knows,
neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

I wish I could have recorded our priest's homily this week. It was as stark and dire as I have ever heard from a priest. He was bluntly telling us, correctly, that we are heading into a time of persecution, but also that this will be a great time for Church renewal. We will have to evangelize again, and starting with ourselves.

5 posted on 11/18/2012 3:21:15 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: NYer

Instead of the obvious question of why supposedly Christ-centered religious people vote for a salesman of infanticide and gay marriage, both abominations in the face of the Lord.

Good grief.


6 posted on 11/18/2012 3:32:08 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: NYer

“So Catholic leaders have often challenged Democrats to be more pro-life and Republicans to be more concerned about immigrants and the poor.”

Gentlemen do not discuss the unspeakable in public, and thus I ignore the above sentence content dealing with Democrats.

However, the part about “Catholic leaders” challenging Republicans to “be more concerned with immigrants and the poor” deserves a critical review.

“Catholic leaders” are assumed to live as examples of, and act in light of what G*d is said to have given Man as recorded in the Old & New Testaments. Therein is the line about ‘having the poor with you always’.

And, Jesus was supposed to have said that those who would not work would not eat. But, what did He know.

Unwilling to accept Divine perspectives on poverty and sloth, the activists/commies/queers in the Catholic Church decided that they were wiser than the alleged source cited in the Old/New Testaments and struck off boldly where not only did angels fear to tread, as even the angels were forbidden to tread that path.

Once upon a time, long, long ago, theft was theft. Likewise, that Man had to work after expulsion from the Garden of Eden was once accepted as the will of G*d. But, what did He know? Interpretation of the Scriptures led to exactly where was predicted.

“You shall teach these laws diligently unto your children” was considered to mean what it says, and people and theologians alike knew the difference between “teach” and “interpret”

Liberation Theology was, in essence, socialism. Socialism violates a certain Commandment regarding the Divine prohibition against stealing. Try as I have, I could find no phrase in that Commandment which can in any way be taken a justification or authorization to use government to steal for either oneself or another.

Along with rampant homosexual takeover of seminaries, the Catholic Church embraced “Liberation Theology” which was merely small ‘c’ communism with a flavor of theology.

Public rejection of the Church (but not the Scriptures) has become widespread, and another Reformation is occurring as we watch. Interestingly, the Soviets repressed the Church for nearly a century, and in the end, the Church is growing and the Soviet Union is gone (more or less).


7 posted on 11/18/2012 3:51:23 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: NYer
And I think it is wrong.

If you've read any post-election news reports, you might be thinking that we lost the Catholic vote big time.

But that's not true.

The media are already trumpeting the news that the “Catholic vote” went for Barack Obama 50-48. But like every headline, there's more to the story.

The Catholic vote cannot be understood correctly without defining what we mean by “Catholic.” And since 2000, intelligent political observers agree that the best way to measure the Catholic vote is to break up the generic “Catholic vote” into those that regularly attend Mass (active Catholics) and those that do not regularly attend Mass (inactive Catholics).

So what happened in 2012? Here are the facts:  

Active Catholics accounted for 11% of the electorate in 2012 and voted 57-42 for Mitt Romney over President Obama. This represents a 14-point swing from 2008.

This means that hundreds of thousands of Catholics changed their vote from 4 years ago -- voting this this time for the candidate representing life, family, and freedom.

That said, the results were clear, and we fell short of our goal, in part because of the impact of the Hispanic Catholic vote (75-21 for Obama), single women voters and young people. We can’t solve every electoral problem. Our job is to educate, activate and mobilize the Catholic vote. And 42% of Mass attending Catholics voting for a President who stands against virtually everything we believe is simply unacceptable.

Inactive Catholics represented 13% of the electorate and voted 56-42 for President Obama. Regrettably, the electoral difficulties with these Catholic voters will inevitably persist. They remain our brothers and sisters in the Faith, and so we will never give up in inviting them to take seriously the call of our Church. Perhaps the best way to help these voters is to urge them to go to Mass more frequently and let the Holy Spirit take it from there!

We have every right to be disappointed, but we shouldn’t ignore the progress we made. More and more active Catholics are waking up and voting for faith, family and freedom. We’re making steady progress, but much more must be done.

And regardless of the results, there is never any shame in fighting for what is right, win or lose.



8 posted on 11/18/2012 4:32:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: gorush
Baptized a Catholic -- always a Catholic. We welcome you back at any time.



9 posted on 11/18/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Social justice is bull crap. What it really means is Marxism, unions and confiscating money from people and companies and shipping it off to irresponsible “charities,” which year after year give money to third world dictators that continue to starve their people.

Can someone name one country that we’ve given all these aid and comfort to that has turned around? They all continue to be a mess.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 4:37:06 PM PST by TJ Jackson
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To: Salvation

Whatever, I’m just here for the conservative politics. Discussing unprovable entities just seems like a waste of time to me.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 4:38:27 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: NYer
There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

Then you somehow missed the post election threads (plural) trying to blame white evangelicals for losing the election because they only 79% voted for Romney. And yet even weekly Catholic attendees did not come that close.

And thus if anything, GOP's salvation lies in being more historically 'Evangelical'

12 posted on 11/18/2012 5:10:25 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NYer; metmom; boatbums; Lera; CynicalBear; Springfield Reformer
There's an interesting statistic we have not seen before.

Then you somehow missed the post election threads (plural) trying to blame white evangelicals for losing the election because they only 79% voted for Romney. And yet even weekly Catholic attendees did not come that close.

And thus if anything, GOP's salvation lies in being more historically 'Evangelical'


13 posted on 11/18/2012 5:12:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GladesGuru
Interestingly, the Soviets repressed the Church for nearly a century, and in the end, the Church is growing and the Soviet Union is gone (more or less).

The Russian Orthodox is growing as the State church, and as in history past, consistent (Gal. 4:29) with the overall institutionalized unregenerate nature it is using the arm of the flesh to persecute the "competition."

Church Demolished: Russia's Fading Religious Freedom

Russia's minority Christians fear return to Soviet era persecution ...

Authorities Target Baptist Churches in Lipetsk, Russia | The ...

Russia Fines Christians For Meeting For Worship « Persecution News

14 posted on 11/18/2012 5:20:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: gorush

Are you saying that Christ and the Church he founded are unprovable?

I don’t think so.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL

This has nothing to do with “pandering.” Unless, of course, you consider a statement of principles to be pandering (to what?).

The GOP abandoned its principles, picked an anti-constitutionalist, pro-abortion, pro-gay, non-Christian inherited wealth guy...and they wonder why Catholics didn’t vote?


17 posted on 11/18/2012 5:58:02 PM PST by livius
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Please God, favor the diocese I’m in with a courageous priest like Vince has.”

You know what I heard today? A treatise on the word “provoke”. Yes.
With all the heavy prophecy spoken, by Jesus Himself, directly to His disciples, we get a treatise on the word “provoke”. I could sit there and cry of starvation for lack of being fed, but for the scene it might cause.

I’m dyin’ here, and angry! The blind are in the Church and too many are priests.


18 posted on 11/18/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: NYer

The republicans have won the Catholic 5 times in history, possibly 6 if 1956 is accepted.

They may win it once or twice more, but possibly never again.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 7:44:50 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: TJ Jackson
Social justice is bull crap.

Taking care of the poor is a mandate from Jesus to individuals, IOW, the CHURCH, not the government.

Church people of any denomination have, and had, NO business whatsoever of voting away their responsibility as individuals to care for the poor.

They have abdicated their responsibility before God and that is what has gotten us into the mess we're in.

And they/we will have to answer for it.

20 posted on 11/18/2012 9:29:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
You got that right! People like to quote the Bible all the time about how Jesus spoke about the "poor". I think we can mostly agree that the poor in Jesus' day are nothing like those in America today. The poor here live like middle class or higher in some other countries of the world.

When Jesus gave the parable of the "good Samaritan" and spoke of others caring for their neighbors as well as the stranger, we forget that, in His example, the guy the Samaritan helped was robbed and beaten and left on the side of the road for dead. Plenty of people passed by and saw him laying there and switched to the other side of the road rather than help the poor guy. So this one in need was truly destitute and unable to get up and go on with his life. Many of the "poor" Americans with their hands out are sitting there on the side of the road with their chubby hands outstretched expecting to have every need or want satisfied.

I think a huge savings in "entitlement" spending could be realized if we as a society decided to help only those who really needed it and not just because they were too lazy to get up to go to school or work. Hunger is a big motivator. We could solve a lot of our economical problems if MORE people were educated, motivated to work, had the skills AND the incentive to do well and stuck to it to better their lives. It's like a domino-effect. More highly educated and enthused workers mean more higher paying jobs because they spend their wages on products and services that employers need good workers to provide. More taxes get paid, to boot! A Socialistic or Communist society only benefits those at the top running the show - the schmo at the bottom gets used and he loses his incentive to do any better because it will get taken from him anyway. Capitalism works - if it really is instituted.

21 posted on 11/18/2012 10:14:33 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: RitaOK
You know what I heard today? A treatise on the word “provoke”. Yes. With all the heavy prophecy spoken, by Jesus Himself, directly to His disciples, we get a treatise on the word “provoke”. I could sit there and cry of starvation for lack of being fed, but for the scene it might cause. I’m dyin’ here, and angry! The blind are in the Church and too many are priests.

Your church is not alone. A little reminder Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that *I* will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

I would add that the whole chapter of Amos 8 pretty much describes our state of affairs.

22 posted on 11/18/2012 10:28:24 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: F15Eagle
Instead of the obvious question of why supposedly Christ-centered religious people vote for a salesman of infanticide and gay marriage, both abominations in the face of the Lord.

Apparently, the black pastors were even less successful in conveying their message since 95% of Black Protestants voted for Obama.

23 posted on 11/19/2012 3:45:27 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Blacks represent 13% of America.

But Obama got 53% of the Catholic vote in 2008.

So the author is an idiot to suggest that the GOP “become more Catholic” if they gravitate towards a baby-killing, homosexual pusher.

This is pure garbage.

Just as it would be to suggested that the GOP become more “hip hop” like Michael Steele or whomever suggested.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 4:48:37 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
But Obama got 53% of the Catholic vote in 2008.

The 2012 Catholic Vote: An Early Assessment (breakdown by state)

25 posted on 11/19/2012 5:26:15 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

I’ll go by what is in this thread from the article

“In the end, Obama won the total Catholic vote by a small margin.”

So, the solution is *not* that the GOP gravitate to appease some group, any group that luvs Obama.

But it really doesn’t matter. The love for liberal agendas now appears to be a majority in America, or the stealing of elections is covered up.

And that’s a bad harbinger for the country. If the GOP embraces that decline, then I suppose they can “win”.

If the GOP must become the Democratic party to win, then it’s all over.

And that is all that need be said.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 5:32:00 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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And frankly the liberal agenda is so rampant in the NEA, public schools, colleges, MSM, Hollywood, etc. there is an overwhelming force loose in America.

We are seeing the firstfruits of it and it is damning the country.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 5:39:14 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: gorush
I do not blame you for becoming an agnostic, coming out of the Catholic Church, which is a bastardization of true Christianity. I came out of the Lutheran Church, and was an avowed atheist at one time. Man made religions which are only a shadow of the truth, not understanding nor giving out the knowledge of how much God truly and completely loves each one of us. Love, true love, is what we are all very hungry for, even starving for. Only God loves us as we desperately need to be loved, and only He can awaken us up to what love really is. Only in Him will we ever actually know love.

If you care about truth, ask God sincerely, you don't have to believe He exists, but talk to Him just in case He exists, ask Him to open your eyes up to proof. If you do this with a heart that is truly interested in truth, and finding it, God will condescend to your unbelieving heart, and give to you the proof you desire. This will happen only if you are not using unbelief as a cover for rebellious treason against Almighty God.

If you come to Him with a sincere heart, searching for truth, He will make sure that you find Him. It will not have anything to do with any organized religion. It will have to do with The LORD opening up a personal relationship with you, which is love. I did this one day over thirty five years ago, just in case, and have had many revelations, proofs and miracles throughout my life. But for you this is anecdotal evidence, unless, or until as a child, you come to God, just as you are, with all of your unbelief, but also with a heart willing to receive Him, and acknowledge the fact that Jesus Christ, who was without sin, died a criminal's death for the purpose of paying the penalty, in your place, for your all of your sins, so that you can go free. The penalty God, who is a just God, has to have paid for, by either you in eternal hell, or if you accept what He has done for you, by Christ.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

28 posted on 11/20/2012 6:44:39 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Bellflower

You folks can be so arrogant...and no, I didn’t read your drivel.


29 posted on 11/20/2012 7:07:57 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: boatbums

It’s all in perception. WE know that the poor in this country would be considered ‘middle class’ or better, by many in the rest of the world, but when they look at themselves in relation to others in THIS country, they are poor. Saying they’re not poor won’t make them not feel that way, it will only turn them against anyone who’s saying it. Not a way to win friends and influence people.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 8:00:33 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Bellflower
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. (I Corinthians 1:18)

Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ. (II Corinthians 4:1-6)

31 posted on 11/20/2012 8:42:56 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: SuziQ
It’s all in perception. WE know that the poor in this country would be considered ‘middle class’ or better, by many in the rest of the world, but when they look at themselves in relation to others in THIS country, they are poor. Saying they’re not poor won’t make them not feel that way, it will only turn them against anyone who’s saying it. Not a way to win friends and influence people.

Of course, you are right. But, by not telling them the truth about how fortunate they are to live in a country that gives them the freedoms they have AND helps to keep them from "slipping through the cracks", they will never recover from their self-destructive delusions.

When I was in college, there were no Pell Grants or student loans which I could have used to help me with college expenses. I paid my way through sometimes working three jobs at a time AND going to classes. It was very hard, but I have a sense of accomplishment that I did this myself. I had a roommate that I'll never forget one year. Her father paid all her expenses, she did not need to work. He was a worker for an automobile maker in Detroit and, when the early '70s gas crisis hit, he got laid off but he STILL supported her. She slept in through almost ALL her morning classes and ended up getting an FA (failure due to absence). No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get her to wake up and go to classes. Talk about lazy! It really infuriated me that she didn't have to lift a finger to pay for anything and even knowing her Dad and family were short on money, she failed her classes anyway.

It is kinda like that with many people today (not all, of course) who just expect to be taken care of. They are oblivious to how hard others work so that they can survive. I always said if I lost the good job I had, I would do anything I could - even go back to waiting tables or cleaning houses (some of the many things I did while in college) rather than give up. It's a personal pride issue, a good kind of pride, that more people NEED to learn. I know for some there is just this sense of hopelessness. That nobody ever expected better for them. We need to do more to instill a genuine hope in people - a hope in themselves that they CAN be something, that they CAN do something, that they DO have worth.

I think the "welfare to work" programs were a good idea. But anything can and will be scammed. The way we "help" the poor today in this country is not healthy - not for them and not for the country. We need some good fresh ideas. Pandering only will lead this country to ruin. It is slowly going there now and it won't take much longer.

Hope you have a good night.

32 posted on 11/20/2012 9:08:36 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: gorush

I like you gorush and will pray for you.


33 posted on 11/20/2012 9:19:02 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: boatbums
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

Thank you for the Scripture. This part of the Scripture you wrote to me is very, very and exceedingly special to me, as The LORD gave me a vision of Jesus face with the glory of God shining forth from it.

Many years ago I was cleaning house for a young Muslim man whom I had some very good conversations about the Gospel with. I had purchased a paperback book about the shroud of Turin and after reading it gave it to him. I was changing the linen on his bed and the book was laying on the covers. I paused, picked it up and opened it to a picture of of the face of Jesus on the shroud. The picture isn't real clear, as you probably know, and as I gazed upon it, I said to The LORD in my heart that I wished I could see what Jesus actually looked like. Suddenly I was transported into a different state and saw the beautiful face of Jesus Christ shining with the glory of God. The light that I saw streaming out of His face wasn't merely light as we know it, but had a tangible quality. That light was pure love. I shall never, of course forget the day that The LORD allowed a simple house cleaner to see Jesus face with the glory of God radiating out from it. It wasn't until sometime later, upon reading The Bible, that I discovered the verse you wrote to me about the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ. I knew that this was exactly what God had allowed me to see, when in my heart I longed to see what Jesus really looked like.

34 posted on 11/20/2012 9:35:46 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Bellflower
Thank you for the wonderful experience you shared on this. Though we know that God does not still use "Prophets" through which to write new revelation, we know that he, in his own amazing way, is still in the business of encouraging and enlightening us, his children.

I've had more than a few remarkable experiences over my lifetime. One that came to mind after reading yours was the day I was driving into work. It was early and was a 38 mile commute on an open expressway. I was listening to Christian music and singing along with the song full voice. I was just so filled with love for the Lord, praising him and thanking him for all that he has blessed me with and telling him how much I loved him. While I was praising him, I looked up into the clear blue sky and with NO other clouds in the sky, I saw a perfectly heart-shaped cloud! I got chills because I sensed that it was a way that God was saying back to me that he loved me, too. I'll never forget it. I feel sorry for people that have never felt the presence of the Lord or understood how much he loves us. What a dreary, depressing way to live especially when there IS another way.

Hope you have a blessed night and a Happy Thanksgiving!

35 posted on 11/20/2012 9:59:37 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Oh, you will get no arguments from me on anything you said. Too many folks have been lulled into the lazy lifestyle, and it it take years of hard work to turn them around.


36 posted on 11/21/2012 3:00:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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