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CHRISTIAN PASTOR: THE CHURCH IS HOPELESSLY ANTI-SEMITIC
Israel Today ^ | Nov 9th, 2012

Posted on 11/11/2012 3:12:55 PM PST by TaraP

At an interfaith conference bringing together Jewish leaders and Protestant Christian pastors outside Jerusalem this week, several of the Christian representatives painted a very worrying picture about the future of relations between Israel and the mainstream Church.

While an estimated tens of millions of individual Christians around the world love and support the Jewish state, many of the mainline Protestant churches have been actively boycotting Israel, encouraging pro-Palestinian activism and demanding that Western governments stop sending aid to Jerusalem.

One of the main Christian representatives at the conference was Rev. Paul Wilkinson, associate minister at Hazel Grove Full Gospel Church in Stockport, England. Over the past few years, Wilkinson has studied up close the phenomenon of what he calls "Christian Palestinianism," a politicized movement that seeks to eliminate Christian support for Israel and transfer it to Palestinian nationalists.

Wilkinson said he is "completely pessimistic in terms of believing that I, we, are going to overturn 2,000 years of erroneous theology that has manifested itself in all kinds of diatribes and anti-Semitic factions" within the Church.

Wilkinson said that what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology, which he called a "Goliath of theology in the church."

Rev. Andrew Love of the United Church of Canada agreed with Wilkinson that exaggerated humanitarian concern for the Palestinian Christians is being as the "rationalization for ultimately what I believe to be anti-Semitic ideas and anti-Semitic policies."

Wilkinson lamented that this hatred for Israel, which harks back to millennia of hatred for the Jews, is rooted "deep in the heart of the Protestant Church," and is unlikely to be uprooted.

The Times of Israel provided a full report of the event, as well as interviews with several of the speakers. Their article on the conference is worth a thorough read.


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; christians; churchantisemitic; evangelicals; liberalchurch; religiousleft; replacementtheology
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1 posted on 11/11/2012 3:13:03 PM PST by TaraP
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To: All

The only Church to be found worthy in the eyes of Christ was: The Church at Philadelphia...

The Key of David (Revelation 3:7-13)
The church that kept the faith

The letter to the church in Philadelphia begins with Christ identifying himself as “holy and true” (3:7). The Holy One is a common Old Testament title for God (Isaiah 40:25; 43:15). He is also true in the sense that he is faithful and trustworthy. God can always be counted on to keep his promises (Titus 1:2)


2 posted on 11/11/2012 3:15:12 PM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP
"Wilkinson said that what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology,"

That is nonsense. Plenty of reformed protestants (which would exlude all the largest mainline confessional denominations) believe in covenant theology without supporting the Palestinian political cause vis-a-via Israel.

3 posted on 11/11/2012 3:16:37 PM PST by circlecity
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To: TaraP
"The only Church to be found worthy in the eyes of Christ was: The Church at Philadelphia..."

Not true. The letter to the Church at Smyrna had nothing bad to say either. Smyrna, the persecuted Church, was quite worthy in the eyes of Christ. Rev. 2:8-11

4 posted on 11/11/2012 3:19:14 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

I believe the author makes the same distinction....


5 posted on 11/11/2012 3:20:13 PM PST by moonhawk (Free Republic: Show prep for Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: circlecity

I believe the author makes the same distinction....


6 posted on 11/11/2012 3:20:19 PM PST by moonhawk (Free Republic: Show prep for Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: circlecity

It seems the Protestant Church is in a mess..

At the Lutheran church in Madison, Pastor Schneider directly tackled the issue of the biblical prohibitions on homosexuality in her sermon.

Her church is a part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, a mainline Protestant denomination that voted three years ago to allow openly gay clergy members to serve.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 3:20:27 PM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP

Good grief, *semites* are anti-semitic. Look at the recent election.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 3:21:29 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: TaraP
Wilkinson is politicizing.

And yet, he has room to judge?

9 posted on 11/11/2012 3:24:03 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: TaraP

The only people who call them selves Christians and are anti-israel are the Liberal Presbyterians. But then again, they believe Calvin more than the bible, so there you go.

True Bible believers realize the place of the older brother in the family of God, and that they are only adopted younger sons.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 3:24:29 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: TaraP
Wilkinson is politisizing.

And yet, he has room to judge?

11 posted on 11/11/2012 3:25:32 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: TaraP
These people will find out the hard way that they should never have arrogantly denied and discarded the Scripture. Of course, when you have a collection of people who call themselves "Christians" who could not be more deluded about their spiritual blindness, who re-write the Bible to their own liking, this is not a surprise.

So, not only will these people come under the Genesis 12:3 curse, they will answer to God for their hatred and contempt for His chosen people, their attempt to harm His people and rob the Jews of their covenant land and give the land to Arab squatters.

This is what the Jewish people think of when they hear the word "Christian". This is the face of Christianity to the Jews - hatred, contempt, and aiding Israel's enemies in harming the Jews. These people will have all eternity separated from God to contemplate the choices they made.

12 posted on 11/11/2012 3:25:48 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: TaraP

The anti-Israel movement in the mainline Protestant denominations has nothing to do with so-called “Replacement Theology”. It comes from Marxism.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 3:26:45 PM PST by wideawake
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To: TaraP
what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology, which he called a "Goliath of theology in the church."

Unless I'm quite mistaken, "Replacement Theology" was the standard Christian doctrine for most of church history, with little evidence of the alternative, dual-covenant theology, prior to recent decades, and even then it has been limited primarily to American evangelical groups.

In particular, AFAIK there is no DCT in Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Knox, etc.

I have no beef with those who choose to disbelieve in RT, but it really shouldn't be passed off as some sort of recent heresy, which I have seen done.

14 posted on 11/11/2012 3:27:05 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Amen Giovanna!

Spot on post!


15 posted on 11/11/2012 3:28:01 PM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP
Thanks, TaraP.

I was going to say that this is replacement theology on steroids, but actually it is the logical conclusion to the demonic, un-Biblical doctrine that the church has replaced Israel in the plan of God.

16 posted on 11/11/2012 3:31:32 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Exactly!

1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 3:35:50 PM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP
many of the mainline Protestant churches

Most of the mainline Protestant churches are neither Protestant nor churches.

18 posted on 11/11/2012 3:41:47 PM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: TaraP

“many of the mainline Protestant churches have been actively boycotting Israel, encouraging pro-Palestinian activism and demanding that Western governments stop sending aid to Jerusalem. “

In other words, the hip “churches” that promote homosexual pastors and marriage/women clergy/abortion rights/social justice, etc.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 3:44:46 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: TaraP

Brilliant......their Messiah is a Jew and they can’t stand Jews!........go figure.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 3:47:26 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: BereanBrain

Friday, September 14, 2012 10:34 PM
Pope arrives in Lebanon with message of peace
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON | Associated Press – 12 hrs ago - 9-14-2012

“I have come to Lebanon as a pilgrim of peace,” the pope said upon his arrival in Beirut. “As a friend of God and as a friend of men.”

“He also praised the Arab Spring uprisings, which have ousted four long-time dictators.”

“It is the desire for more democracy, for more freedom, for more cooperation and for a renewed Arab identity,” the pope said.”

“”Looking at your county, I also come symbolically to all countries of the Middle East as a pilgrim of peace, as a friend of God and as a friend of all inhabitants of all the countries of the region, whatever their origins and beliefs,” he said.”

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-arrives-lebanon-message-peace-105452279.html

Video
http://news.yahoo.com/video/pope-benedict-xvi-arrives-lebanon-191018761.html;_ylt=ApZ2x4bqZuemqZLWtgAecvFRsa8F;_ylu=X3oDMTMyNWlmbG9mBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIFJlbGF0ZWQgSUIEcGtnAzg2NDlmN2RmLWVmMWMtM2RiNy1hZjA2LTFkMzVhYmE1MzRmYgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFJbmZpbml0ZUJyb3dzZQR2ZXID;_ylg=X3oDMTMzZXA0cGJjBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDOThlMzY4YWMtNzIzYS0zMjkyLWFlMGYtYzBjNWU0MGZjMDEyBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxtaWRkbGVlYXN0BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ—;_ylv=3

Pope visits Lebanon amid Syria war, Libya protest - Reuters 9-13-2012

“Even the militant Shi’ite movement Hezbollah has hung banners along the airport highway greeting Benedict with a picture of him and texts in Arabic and French saying: “Hezbollah welcomes the pope in the homeland of coexistence”.

Nearby, the movement - which Israel and the United States consider a terrorist group - put up Arabic-only banners for local consumption with a different message: “Welcome to you in the homeland of resistance.””

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-pope-lebanon-idUSBRE88C1JR20120913

Pope Benedict arrives in Lebanon at time of Christian-Muslim tension - By Babak Dehghanpisheh, Updated: Friday, September 14, 11:15 AM

“The pope’s visit, his **fourth** to the Middle East, comes as Christians in Syria, Egypt and Lebanon are expressing fears of a threat from conservative Muslims emboldened by the sweeping changes brought about by the Arab Spring. “

“It’s unlikely that the pope will address the rise of Islamists in the region directly in public comments, analysts say. Instead, he is expected to preach a message of unity between Christians and Muslims. “

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pope-benedict-visiting-lebanon-at-time-of-christian-muslim-tension/2012/09/14/dc9e3b92-fe57-11e1-a31e-804fccb658f9_story.html?wprss=rss_middle-east

Op-Ed: Expose: The Vatican - PLO Pact - Published: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:08 AM

“Designs on Jerusalem are on the Vatican’s agenda, now that the city is in Jewish hands.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11255#.T07m7XmV2So

HOLY SEE DELEGATION MEETS WITH THE PLO - Monday, January 30, 2012

” “Following the resumption of the bilateral negotiations between the Holy See and the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), an official meeting took place at the headquarters of the Palestinian President in Ramallah on 28 January.”

http://visnews-en.blogspot.com/2012/01/holy-see-delegation-meets-with-plo.html

Bishop Cranmer: Let the Pope preside over Jerusalem

” Give the Pope Jerusalem, and he can govern it through a neutral administration, ensuring that both the Jews of Israel and the Muslims of Palestine obtain justice”.

“In April 2009, the Vatican signed the necessary agreement with the Arab League. On 12th of May 2009, the Pope walked on the Temple Mount together with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.”

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2012/03/29/bishop-cranmer-let-the-pope-preside-over-jerusalem/

Vatican and PLO Sign Pact Guaranteeing the Church’s Rights
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY - Published: February 16, 2000 <~~~~ (Note date)

“Seeking to secure the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in a future Palestinian state, the Vatican signed an agreement today with the Palestine Liberation Organization that would protect freedom of religion and the legal status of Christian churches.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/16/world/vatican-and-plo-sign-pact-guaranteeing-the-church-s-rights.html

The Pope’s Visit to Jerusalem and the Vatican’s Hidden Agenda - May 2000 <~~~ (Note Date)

“Replacement Theology”

“The Roman Catholic Church believes Israel’s right to be the Kingdom of God ended forever with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Roman Legion in 70 CE. When the Roman Catholic Church grew to world prominence, it claimed to be the rightful heir of the Kingdom of God. Rome (the Vatican) became the “New Jerusalem.” The long centuries that followed of non-Jewish control of their land seemed to validate Papacy’s claim. Then the rebirth of Israel challenged Catholicism’s “Kingdom of God” theology. But the boast of Rome to be “the eternal city” was completely deflated when Jerusalem—”The Eternal”—became the capital of Israel in 1967. Why?”

“The Vatican’s claim to be the “New Jerusalem,” if true, would be the fulfillment of a Biblical type and many prophecies. (Biblical “types” are spoken of as “shadows” which continue until their reality occurs. For example, Israel was to celebrate the Passover annually with a slain lamb. The reality of that type was the coming of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, which fulfilled that type. The slaying of the Passover Lamb came to an end shortly after Jesus’ death and resurrection. Until this day a lamb is no longer killed and eaten during Passover) The Roman Catholic Church for centuries has claimed to be the fulfillment of the type of Jerusalem as the capital of the actual Kingdom of God. In type-and-shadow theology, if the type reappears, then the supposed reality is not valid. Thus, the re-emergence of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital destroys the Vatican’s claim to be the “New Jerusalem”—the capital of the actual Kingdom of God.”

“Why does the Vatican act like a world political power, exchanging ambassadors with other nations? No other Christian church claims this civil government status. The only excuse the Vatican has to act as a world power is the claim that it is both the spiritual and the temporal Kingdom of God on earth, the New Jerusalem “

http://christiantrumpetsounding.com/Vaticans%20Agenda/Popes%20visit%20to%20Jerus.htm


21 posted on 11/11/2012 3:47:32 PM PST by haffast
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To: TaraP

“Wilkinson said that what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology”

Pretty much.

And it ain’t just some claiming to be Protestant. When your church teaches that muslims have Salvation through islam, you’re already on your way to a one-world religion that not only compromises the Gospel, but joins forces with the most doctrinally antichrist force on the face of the Earth, which, by the way, wants to destroy the Jew and the state of Israel. It’s written in their books as a “prophecy”. There is a reason Iran is doing what they are doing; they’ve read those “verses”.

But few want to hear that damning fact.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 3:48:24 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: TaraP

How can so many people forget that Jesus is Jewish?
Personally,I’d hate to have Him remind me of that fact when the time comes.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 3:48:29 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

People either have a Super-natural love for the Jews

or

They have a Super-natural hate for the Jews...

Just like a Kingdom that is divided will Collapse...

We are divided in Politics and within the church....


24 posted on 11/11/2012 3:52:58 PM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP

The Church is not hopelessly anti-Semitic (although some of recent statements of a few denominational leaders are most obviously anti-Semitic in the extreme).
The Church that follows Christ (and Paul) is grafted onto the Jewish people and salvation is of the Jews. God blesses those that bless the Jewish people, and God curses those that curse them. Any sincere Christian knows this from reading the Holy Bible, it is only a “leadership” problem in some denominations (mostly those that have pretty clearly “gone off the rail,” abandoning other Christian teachings, too)...
What members of those errant churches need to do is replace their sinful “leaders” — or, if that is not possible, then to just walk out the door and find a much more genuinely Christian place of worship (and consider ways we can make up for the damage these bigots are causing the true Church, Israel, and the Jewish people). Fortunately, we still have the ability to do these things in USA (for how long, under our current regime, nobody can say...but that’s a whole other discussion so I will sign off for now).....
Blessings,
fhc


25 posted on 11/11/2012 3:54:05 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: TaraP

Brilliant......their Messiah is a Jew and they can’t stand Jews!........go figure.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 3:56:11 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: TaraP

This isn’t a complicated issue.Simply put,there are many, many,many people (mainly in Western nations) who are,at heart,Unitarian/Universalists but masquerade as Christians.Of course it must be noted that there are many in the West who *claim* to be Jews but have utter contempt for Israel.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 3:57:50 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: haffast

Pope makes peace appeal at open-air Mass in Beirut
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON | Associated Press – Sun, Sep 16, 2012

“I appeal to you all to be peacemakers,” Benedict said.

Benedict spoke from an altar built on land reclaimed with debris from Lebanon’s 1975-1990 civil war, pressing ahead with his call for peace and reconciliation between Christians and Muslims.

Benedict said that justice and peace are needed in building “a fraternal society, for building fellowship.”

Fadia Kiwan, a political science professor at Beirut’s St. Joseph University, said the pope’s visit is political and its message is that “the West does not want Christians to leave the Middle East.”

She added that the visit calls “for living together between Muslims and Christians.”

“This is a visit of political interest more than religious interest. It is political visit that should help in reducing tension between Christians and Muslims in general,” she said.

Patriarch Bechara al-Rai, head of the Maronite Catholic Church, told the pope shortly before the Mass began, “Your visit is a safety valve at a time when Christians feel the instability and are faithfully resisting to confirm they are deep-rooted in this land despite the major challenges.”

Nawaf al-Moussawi, a representative of the Shiite Islamist militant group Hezbollah who attended the mass, told Lebanon’s LBC TV: “Our message is that we want to work together for a Middle East and a region where religions and sects live on the basis of justice that leads to peace.

“What we complain about in the region today is that we are suffering from the injustice of *colonial* policies,” al-Moussawi added in an apparent reference to U.S. policies. “We only see its fleets.” Hezbollah is allied with Syria, which blames an alleged Western and Arab conspiracy for its woes.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-makes-peace-appeal-open-air-mass-beirut-081130318.html?_esi=1

......and then on Monday “the (other) messenger of God” spoke:

Hezbollah leads massive anti-US protest in Lebanon
By ZEINA KARAM | Associated Press – 6 hrs ago

” Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, left, speaks to a crowd of tens of thousands of supporters, not shown, during a rally denouncing an anti-Islam film that has provoked a week of unrest in Muslim countries worldwide, in the southern suburb of Beirut, Lebanon, Monday Sept. 17, 2012. Nasrallah who does not usually appear in public for fear of assassination called for Monday’s protests in Beirut, saying the U.S. must be held accountable for the film because it was produced in America. Arabic reads, “the messenger of God.”” - (heading under picture)

“The appeal for sustained protests by Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanon’s powerful Hezbollah group, could stoke more fury over the video, “Innocence of Muslims.” Nasrallah has rarely been seen in public since his group battled Israel in a month-long war in 2006, fearing Israeli assassination. Since then, he has communicated with his followers and gives news conference mostly via satellite link.”

“He spoke for about 15 minutes before a rapturous crowd estimated by police at about 500,000, many with *headbands* of green and yellow — the colors of Hezbollah — and the words “at your service God’s prophet” written on them.”

“Nasrallah, who last appeared in public in December 2011 to mark the Shiite holy day of Ashoura, warned of serious repercussions if the U.S. does not ban the film and have it removed from the Internet.”

“”The world should know that our anger is not a passing thing. ... This is the start of a serious campaign that must continue all over the Muslim world in defense of the prophet of God,” he said to roars of support.”

“”As long as there’s blood in us, we will not remain silent over insults against our prophet,” Nasrallah said, calling for a series of demonstrations this week to denounce the video.”

http://news.yahoo.com/hezbollah-leads-massive-anti-us-protest-lebanon-201359057.html

Which is greater, the irony, or the sadness of it all?


28 posted on 11/11/2012 4:01:46 PM PST by haffast
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To: TaraP
The only " Holy " and " True " are those who have placed their trust in no other than Jesus Christ Yeshua our savoir.
Christ is the " Object " of our faith.... no other.

Christ is OUR justification, OUR holiness, OUR righteousness.
Any other so called " Righteousness " God rejects... any other " Holiness ( if it is not in Christ ? it's not holy ) " then God rejects.

Acts 13:39:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

That Church kept it's first love.. Christ... that Church stayed faithful and true because they put their trust in no other than Christ alone.
29 posted on 11/11/2012 5:09:53 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: circlecity
What these liberal theologians forget is that when Christ died on the cross that God broke down the middle wall between the Jews, the nation of Israel and the gentiles.
God took and graphed in the wild olive branch into the seed of Abraham.
The Jews, the seed of Abraham and the Christian believers are brothers now... in the same family.

30 posted on 11/11/2012 5:14:50 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: TaraP
I would partly agree that ? the dead mainline protestant churches have lost their way in the last 40-50 years and have been infiltrated by the leftist.
No wonder why you see all these once great mainline denominations that were once thriving now dying on the vine.
But ? the doctrine of justification by faith alone is not dead that these once great mainline christian denominations believed in.
Actually ? since the leftists have infiltrated these churches the cause of " works " have became more important than their faith in Christ alone.
In these churches now " WORKS " trumps the atonement of Christ's blood, works trumps justification by faith alone.
31 posted on 11/11/2012 5:22:27 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: wideawake
" The anti-Israel movement in the mainline Protestant denominations has nothing to do with so-called “Replacement Theology”. It comes from Marxism."

BINGO !


32 posted on 11/11/2012 5:24:36 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

The Creation of the Religious Left

“When people reflect on the Christian church they generally picture a fellowship of believers whose focus is on *spiritual growth*, *spreading the faith*, and *good works*. These were the church’s primary goals until the last few decades. There is a wide gulf, however, between yesterday’s goals and today’s agenda. The American mainline churches the most prominent of which are the *United Methodists*, the United Church of Christ, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopalians, the American Baptists, many Catholic leaders and orders, and the Lutheran Church in America - have realigned their priorities in a frighteningly *political* direction.”

“A growing percentage of Christian leadership has abandoned its role as *spiritual shepherd* because it no longer considers humanity’s *spiritual welfare* its greatest concern. A great many bishops have rejected *winning souls* in favor of *influencing political issues*. Church bureaucracy now neglects traditional mission in favor of *lobbying for political causes*. In fact, certain sectors of the church now make it their primary business to manufacture, widely distribute, and finance a radical agenda by which they hope *to save the world*. In doing so, they have created the *Religious Left*.”
http://cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt1.html

Walter Rauschenbusch - was a Christian theologian and Baptist pastor (Convert from German Luthern). He was a key figure in the Social Gospel movement which flourished in the United States during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Plus

Rev. Harry F. Ward - the “Red” Dean of Union Theological Seminary - NYC

“In 1929, when Kornfeder was in Moscow, he heard **Harry F. Ward** and his work discussed in the Anglo-American Secretariat, where Ward was portrayed as the architect of the methods by which churches could he infiltrated (”of Communists and fellow travelers working inside the churches, giving themselves the coloring of religious reformers and of getting the church in the social side, away from spiritualism”).”

“In fact, when one studies the methods of the Methodist Federation, I wonder who learned from whom, whether it was Harry F. Ward who learned from Stalin or whether Stalin learned from Harry Wand.”

Plus

Abyssinian Baptist Church - New York

Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. - preached the Gospel of **Social Justice** as pastor of Abyssinian Baptist Church

Plus

Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King

Plus

Bonhoeffer in Harlem - “Deeply interested in **ecumenism**, he was appointed by the World Alliance for Promoting International Friendship through the Churches (a forerunner of the **World Council of Churches**) as one of its three European youth secretaries. “

“Rejecting the objective unalterable moral standards of the Bible, Bonhoeffer proclaimed a situational ethics — that right and wrong are determined solely by the “loving obligations of the moment” “

Plus

Charles A. Briggs - popularized German biblical criticism in the United States, first as a professor at Union and then as its president.
- an important early leader of the Modernist movement.

Plus

Dr. James H. Cone – Charles A. Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary – Founder of Black Liberation Theology”

Plus

Martin Niemöller - “In 1961, he became president of the **World Council of Churches**.[9] He earned the **Lenin** Peace Prize in 1966.”
“ He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.”

Plus

Reinhold Niebuhr - “Christian ethicist”, “Starting as a leftist minister in the 1920s indebted to theological liberalism, he shifted to the new Neo-Orthodox theology in the 1930s, ....”
“....and created the theo-philosophical perspective known as Christian realism.”

“During the 1930s, Niebuhr was a prominent leader of the militant faction of the Socialist Party of America, although he disliked die-hard Marxists by calling their beliefs a religion and a thin one at that.[23] In 1941, he cofounded the Union for Democratic Action, a group with a strongly militarily interventionist, internationalist foreign policy and a pro-union, liberal domestic policy, and was the group’s sole president until its transformation into the Americans for Democratic Action in 1947.[24]”

Plus

Rev. Jeremiah Wright - G** D**n America . Your Christianity is not necessarily our Christianity.

“”Obama was steeped in Islam but knew nothing about Christianity,” Klein says.”

“Klein asked Wright if he converted Obama from being a Muslim into a Christian.”

“He said, I don’t know about that. but I can tell you that I made it easy for him to come to an understanding of who Jesus Christ is and not feel that he was turning his back on his Islamic friends and his Islamic traditions and his understanding of Islam,” Klein says.”

“The second area was Obama’s political philosophy. Wright introduced Obama to Black Liberation theology.”

Plus

President Barrack Hussein Obama - Received more than just “Dreams From My Father”, and his socialist mother, or his communist grandparents, or Communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, or racist Black Liberationist Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Plus

Union Theological Seminary - “The seminary was founded in 1836 under the Presbyterian Church,[3] and is affiliated with nearby **Columbia University**. In the 20th century, Union was world renowned as a center of **liberal Christianity and neo-orthodoxy**, in addition to being the birthplace of the **Black Liberation Theology**, **Womanist Theology** and **Mujerista Theology** movements.”

Equals:

Anti-colonial - Islamic - Black Liberationist - CommUnitarian President Barack Hussein Obama - A man of “diversity” out for those struggling on the “margins” of life. A change agent for The New World Order.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 5:28:02 PM PST by haffast
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To: BereanBrain
Sorry I have to respectfully disagree with you, but, these so called " Churches " that have gone by the way side has nothing to do with the doctrine of justification by faith alone.
I would go on to say that they also threw out what Calvin believed in and the doctrine of justification by faith alone many decades ago.
What has replaced the doctrine of justification by faith alone in these liberal modern churches is " WORKS ".
They basically created their own doctrine and what they believe in apart from the basic teachings of the bible.
They have disregard the bible and allowed any old thing to creep in their ways, their thoughts, and what they believe in now..
So basically they have become huge " CULTS " that have nothing to do with Christ, his church, or God's written word.
If you have gone and visited these liberal mainline churches now they have a heavy emphases on " WORKS ".
34 posted on 11/11/2012 5:32:05 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: haffast

CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA (CFO)

“A project of Catholic Democrats, Catholics For Obama (CFO) was formed to promote the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama in 2008. Noting that “Americans are weary of being pitted against one another over issues of race, disparity of wealth, and religion,” CFO stated that “Senator Obama has made bringing Americans together to solve common problems the central theme of his campaign.” One CFO board member called Obama “a presidential candidate of historic accomplishments,” and lauded his background as a 1980s-era community organizer whose efforts “to [economically] empower the lives of thousands of people” had received vital “funding from the U.S. Bishops.

****” Obama’s employer in the eighties had been the Chicago-based Developing Communities Project, an initiative of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development.”****

Though Obama has been an unwavering backer of abortion rights throughout his years in politics—he opposed even the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act as a state senator—CFO says that by the standards of ***“Catholic Social Teaching,”*** Obama is technically ***“pro-life”*** because he “has spent his entire career striving for the common good.” Specifically, CFO praises the President for supporting “health care programs that will cover all Americans, a living wage for working families, and solutions that allow distressed families to stay in their homes.” Moreover, CFO reasons that Obama’s presidency will ultimately reduce the number of abortions “by promoting health care for pregnant women and better infant care, day care and job training.”

Maintaining that “the state has a positive moral function to promote the common good,” CFO views the expansion of governmental power as a preferred means of solving society’s most pressing problems.

The president and board chairman of CFO is Patrick Whelan, who also serves as president of Catholic Democrats. A member of the pediatrics faculty at Harvard Medical School and a co-director of Pax Christi Massachusetts, Whelan was formerly a national co-director of Catholics for Kerry; he served for three years on the Democratic National Committee’s Faith Advisory Council under Howard Dean; and he volunteered with the Catholic Worker communities in Los Angeles and Houston.

Other CFO board members include:

- Victoria Reggie Kennedy: The widow of the late Senator Edward Kennedy, Victoria is an attorney and an activist who has been an official with numerous groups focused on reducing gun violence and restricting access to firearms.

- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend: The eldest of Robert F. Kennedy’s eleven children, Townsend served two years as deputy assistant attorney general during the Bill Clinton administration, and later as Maryland’s lieutenant governor (1995-2003).

- Thomas P. O’Neill III: O’Neill was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts from 1975-1983. Today he is CEO of O’Neill & Associates, a government and public-relations firm in Boston. (Tip’s son)

- James Roosevelt, Jr.: Formerly the chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party, Roosevelt currently co-chairs the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee. He is also president and CEO of the Tufts Health Plan. (FDR’s grandson)

- William D’Antonio: This retired professor of sociology was once the CEO of the American Sociological Association.

- Lisa Schare: This Cincinnati-based high-school art teacher serves as state chair of the Catholic Democrats of Ohio. A longtime Democratic Party activist, she did volunteer work for the Clinton/Gore, Gore/Lieberman, and Kerry/Edwards presidential campaigns.

Read full article here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7727


35 posted on 11/11/2012 5:37:20 PM PST by haffast
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I would go on farther and say that these so called Churches who allowed homosexuality to creep in their modern day doctrine, or any old ways, or thinking have nothing to do with " Christ's Church " ..... I would go on and say that they are " CULTS " .
Once they have thrown away God, his word and Christ ? what do you have then ? a " CULT " .
These are the ones who will come to Christ at the last day and say " LORD LORD " didn't we cast out devils, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we do this, didn't we do that... and Christ will turn to them and say " I NEVER KNEW YOU ! DEPART FROM ME "
These are what you call " tares " among the wheat.
These ? are those who have the " FORM " of Godliness but deny the power thereof.

The " FORM " of Godliness but deny the power thereof ? it's called " RELIGION " in it's more gross form.
They have a " FORM " of Godliness but, don't talk to them about Christ and him crucified.
These are those so called Churches that will find a reason and need to aline themselves with Islam in a effort to make peace....
36 posted on 11/11/2012 5:41:18 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: TaraP
They will abandon the faith because they were never one of us, they will abandon the faith because they were never chosen or called by Christ.
They will abandon the faith because they were never " Predestined " and " Elect " of God.
37 posted on 11/11/2012 5:43:34 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Thane_Banquo
" Most of the mainline Protestant churches are neither Protestant nor churches. "

That is so true.... but, that does not mean the bible's and the Gospel of Christ's message of justification by faith alone is dead.
38 posted on 11/11/2012 5:46:46 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: F15Eagle
“Wilkinson said that what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology”

The only replacement that has happened in these so called " Christian Protestant Churches " is that they have replaced God, God's word, and Christ for some liberal world view.
39 posted on 11/11/2012 5:49:35 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: F15Eagle
" And it ain’t just some claiming to be Protestant. When your church teaches that muslims have Salvation through islam, you’re already on your way to a one-world religion that not only compromises the Gospel, but joins forces with the most doctrinally antichrist force on the face of the Earth, which, by the way, wants to destroy the Jew and the state of Israel. It’s written in their books as a “prophecy”. There is a reason Iran is doing what they are doing; they’ve read those “verses”."


It isn't just some " Protestant " churches doing this either... some Catholic churches are in this process.
We are witnessing now the great falling away... the great apostasy.
40 posted on 11/11/2012 5:52:14 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: faithhopecharity
" The Church is not hopelessly anti-Semitic (although some of recent statements of a few denominational leaders are most obviously anti-Semitic in the extreme) "

One can guess with almost 100 % accuracy that those so called Church leaders, or those who call themselves " Christians " or those who have alined themselves with Obama are part of that category who are anti-Semitic regardless of creed, race, color, denomination, sect,.
41 posted on 11/11/2012 5:55:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Wonderful post American Constitutionalist! Thank you!


42 posted on 11/11/2012 5:56:18 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Sherman Logan
Unless I'm quite mistaken, "Replacement Theology" was the standard Christian doctrine for most of church history, with little evidence of the alternative, dual-covenant theology, prior to recent decades, and even then it has been limited primarily to American evangelical groups.

In particular, AFAIK there is no DCT in Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Knox, etc.

"Replacement Theology" is a shibboleth.

43 posted on 11/11/2012 6:05:50 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Any Church that become less Christ centered focused, they become " Christ less " and him crucified is a cult.
The more they become " Christ less " the more liberal, worldly, and works based they become.
44 posted on 11/11/2012 6:45:44 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhrWbKKtA4


45 posted on 11/11/2012 7:30:09 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Lee N. Field

I have no clue what you mean by that.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 8:10:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BereanBrain
True Bible believers realize the place of the older brother in the family of God, and that they are only adopted younger sons.

Care to elucidate? Who is this older brother?

47 posted on 11/11/2012 8:16:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The philosophy of the supposed Christian doctrine of " FREE WILL " came from the Greek pagan philosophy: autonomous; autonomy; independent from.

THE only time IF there ever was that mankind had any real " free will " was when Adam and Even chose to be autonomous, independent from God's grace and yet rather chose the law, the knowledge between good and evil.

They chose to be independent from, autonomous ( that's what " FREE WILL " means ) of God's grace and chose for themselves what is good and evil.

But ?
God had to set up his own standard " the law " to show what is good and evil, to show what " SIN " is.

Saint Paul said that he would not have known what " SIN " is if it was not for the " LAW " to show him, convict him of what is wrong.

But ?
The law can not, nor ever can be the means that any man can be made righteous or justified in God's eyes.

If ?
The law could have made man righteous ?
Justified in God's eyes ?
Then ?
There would have been no need of the temporary sacrificial system of the blood atonement of bulls and goats that had to be performed year after year.
ACTS 13:39

NIV

39. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

KJV

39. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


Don't know how that Greek pagan philosophy of " FREE WILL " autonomous; autonomy, independent from, crept into the church.

God never called us to be " autonomous " or " independent " of him and from him... that's what free will means... to be autonomous from something, independent from.
48 posted on 11/11/2012 8:40:13 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
IF ? we could have been able to save ourselves ?
Then ?
We would not have need of a savoir.

GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.

The law pushers and the works based salvationeers say " ohh but, but Grace does not give us a license to sin " .


The biblical grace that the bible talks about is none other than Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God's grace.


Now once again ?

The law pushers say " well, grace does not give us a license to sin " i.e. break God's holy law..

How can " GRACE " give us a license to sin when it was " GRACE " that came to save us and free us from our sins ?

Let me say that again:

How can ?

Grace ( God's grace is none other than Jesus Christ ) give us a license to sin ?

When ?

It was " GRACE " that came to save us and free us from our sins ?


Sorry to say this however ?

The only people who have a " FREE LICENSE " to sin are those who are not yet saved.
Those who are not yet " born again " saved by Jesus Christ because they are still left in this " SINS " therefore they have free rein to sin.

Ephesians 2
NIV

Made Alive in Christ 1. As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2. in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
3. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
4. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5. made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7. in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9. not by works, so that no one can boast.
10. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Those who are not yet " BORN AGAIN " or " SAVED " by God's grace, saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ are still dead in their sins...
Yup, they are still dead in their sins and trespasses against God and God still sees them and declares them as dead.
Therefore ? they still have a " FREE LICENSE TO SIN " even if they are trying to keep the law wherewith which that can not save them... only Jesus Christ can.

The law pushers are the ones who have a " FREE LICENSE " to sin because they sin every day like the rest of humanity.

OPPS !!!


Opps ! they can't have that revealed can they ? nope, they can't have any one see them sinning while they preach against sin.

What was it ? that Jesus said ? " he that is without sin cast the first stone "


Yes Sir'reee...


Those who preach most against sin and preach keeping the law are the very ones who are actually breaking the law and have full license to sin when no one is watching.


OPPS !!

They can't have that revealed can they ? opps !



Once again ?

How can the grace of God give us a " free license " to sin when it was that very same grace of GOD that came, loved us and saved us and freed us from our sins ?

Yes, those law pushers will also go on and say :

" well, well, well, but, but, but, you will be punished and condemned and judged by GOD for your sins " ....



Guess what ?


I have ALREADY been judged for my sins, yet in another person JESUS CHRIST !


Jesus Christ took our punishment that you and I rightfully deserved and God's judgement passover us because Jesus Christ is OUR passover lamb.


Christ took our punishment that we deserved, took God's judgement that we deserved

and God gave us,

God imputed Christ's righteousness, Christ's holiness that we did not deserve and placed it on us as his gift.


Romans 8 verse 1 :

There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are IN Christ Jesus.



The walking in the flesh part ?

It means ?

Those who are walking in humanistic understanding,
human reasoning,
human " EFFORTS " to save themselves... i.e. WORKS, WORKS, WORKS.


Those who are walking in the spirit ?

Are those who are walking in the spirit in FAITH in CHRIST alone.

For " THE LAW " was weak in the " FLESH " ... yes, there is that word again. FLESH ...


It is talking about how the law was weak in the FLESH.

In the flesh as sensual ?
Sins ?
Lust ? i.e. sins ? no.


It means flesh is weak in human effort, abilities i.e. HUMAN abilities to keep God's holy law.
49 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:52 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: TaraP; circlecity
It seems the Protestant Church is in a mess..

i'm sorry Tara, but that statement is wrong on many levels

Firstly, there is no one "protestant church" -- there are multiple different Churches that are either under this umbrella term or consider themselves part of it or are considered by others as part of it

Some of these groups are anti-israel like the ECUSA etc., but the Southern Baptists are pro-Israel.

One can't generalize like this

50 posted on 11/12/2012 4:44:15 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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