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Is the Church Called “Israel” in Romans 9:6?
Theological Studies ^ | Michael Vlach

Posted on 05/16/2012 3:48:19 PM PDT by wmfights

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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I ask one simple thing of replacement theologists and none of you can answer it.

Laughable. People are answering your question...they have told you over and over who the true Israel of God is. You just choose to ignore.

And you STILL don't address my answer to you. LOL.

81 posted on 05/17/2012 2:13:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The promise was made to Abraham, and his descendants, the Jews.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16)

So, you do not believe this scripture? That the promised seed is Jesus Christ?

82 posted on 05/17/2012 2:20:35 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: what's up
Oh, no, I'm sorry to say that none of the replacement theologists have been able to answer any of my questions - the most important one being to whom did God make the promises of land and salvation and the Redeemer living in their land?

Of course, if they did answer, and answer honestly, it would blow their demonic doctrine all to hell, so I kind of understand the avoidance, but I'm still trying to give you people a chance at redemption here. Help me out.

So you want to take a stab at it? Be the only honest replacement theologist on this thread? Who did God make the promises to that I have posted a hundred times on this thread?

83 posted on 05/17/2012 2:24:52 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: nonsporting
Oh I believe the Scripture. Christ came from the seed of Abraham. And, unless you can provide Scripture to the contrary, Jesus Christ is not a Gentile.

The New Covenant is detailed in Deut. 29:4; 30:6; Isa. 59:20–21; 61:8–9; Jer. 31:31–40; 32:37–40; 50:4–5; Ezek. 11:19–20; 16:60–63; 34:25–26; 36:24–32; 37:21–28; Zech. 9:11; 12:10–14; Heb. 8:1-13; 10:15-18.

Can you tell me in which of those Scriptures the Church is mentioned?

84 posted on 05/17/2012 2:29:16 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Be the only honest replacement theologist on this thread?

No, there are many honest people on this thread who have give you the plain truth. Your fake premise that no one answers your "one little question" is plain false.

Your question has been answered many times and on many other threads as well.

85 posted on 05/17/2012 2:32:58 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
No, my question has not been answered.

Who are the people that God gave the promises of land, and salvation and the Redeemer living among them to?

86 posted on 05/17/2012 2:34:40 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Christ came from the seed of Abraham.

No, that's not the meaning. Read it again. The promise was made to THE seed which was Christ.

Christ is the heir of the promise.

87 posted on 05/17/2012 2:38:42 PM PDT by what's up
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Who are the people

Those in Christ who is the heir of all things.

88 posted on 05/17/2012 2:40:46 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
When God says:

And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Was Isaac a Jew or Gentile? And was God lying when He called Isaac (a child) of promise?

89 posted on 05/17/2012 2:58:38 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: what's up

When God calls Isaac a child of promise, was He speaking about a Jew or Gentile?


90 posted on 05/17/2012 2:59:35 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
was He speaking about a Jew or Gentile?

Isaac had faith. Thus he was a child of promise. You are mistaken to elevate ethnicity over faith.

Abel also was a child of promise before there were nations. He's in the same boat as are all people today, Jew or Gentile, who have faith.

Only being in Christ matters because He is the heir of the promise.

91 posted on 05/17/2012 3:09:43 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
Isaac had faith. Thus he was a child of promise. You are mistaken to elevate ethnicity over faith.

Well, that may be right if it weren't for those pesky promises that God made to someone that He would bring them back into a land that He gave them, that He would cleanse them, take their sins away, and there would be a Redeemer that would live among them.

Those are the mystery people that throw a death knell monkey wrench into replacement theology. And since that condition that is promised by God doesn't currently exist, then it must mean that that promise will be kept sometime in the future, right? I mean, God doesn't lie, right?

Do you have any idea who the mystery people might be?

92 posted on 05/17/2012 3:14:22 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
will be kept sometime in the future,

Do you have a problem believing that there is a new heaven and earth in the future?

Do you have any idea who the mystery people might be?

Well, it seems like it's only a mystery to you.

93 posted on 05/17/2012 3:20:27 PM PDT by what's up
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Do you have a problem believing that there is a new heaven and earth in the future?

Well, no. God says there will be a new Heaven and a new earth after the Tribulation and His millennial kingdom are finished.

I believe what God says.

Well, it seems like it's only a mystery to you.

Oh, just humor me. Who are the mystery people that God made the land and salvation and Redeemer promises to?

94 posted on 05/17/2012 3:23:33 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
God says there will be a new Heaven and a new earth after the Tribulation

So you believe this to be future, right?

Who are the mystery people

Asked and answered...many times.

95 posted on 05/17/2012 3:27:20 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
So you believe this to be future, right?

I think that's what I said.

Asked and answered...many times.

Can you re-post one of the answers? I must have missed it.

96 posted on 05/17/2012 3:29:29 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Can you re-post one of the answers?

Try checking out post #88 for one.

Really...it's far from a mystery. But because you seem to have difficulty retaining here goes:

Christ is the heir, the recipient of the promise and all people of faith are co-heirs only because of faith in Him. He inherits the new Heavens and Earth and we and people from all tribes who have faith in Him are adopted children of the Father and will live in that land forever.

97 posted on 05/17/2012 3:37:52 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
So God gave the Church land and promised to bring us back to our land from among the nations?

When did that happen? What is the name of our land?

98 posted on 05/17/2012 3:40:16 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
What is the name of our land?

That's why I asked if you have a problem understanding the new Heavens and Earth.

You don't seem to grasp the concept.

99 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:39 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
No I understand the new Heaven and new earth but where in Scripture does the fact that Jesus Christ will create a new Heaven and new earth cancel out the promises He made to Israel and His chosen people? Where in Scripture does God say that His promises to His people, which will be fulfilled during His millennial kingdom, have been made null and void?

Where exactly does God say that His promises to the Jews have been cancelled? And if you can give me the Scripture where God has broken His promises to His chosen people, why do the promises still remain in the Bible? Why would God lie and deceive by leaving the promises to the Jews in the Bible knowing that millions and millions of people over the centuries would read those promises and believe them and have hope in them? Why would God do that?

And where is your assurance that the promise of salvation Jesus made to Gentiles hasn't been broken? If God is a promise-breaker, where is your guarantee that He hasn't broken His promise to save you?

100 posted on 05/17/2012 3:49:26 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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