Is the Church Called “Israel” in Romans 9:6?

Theological Studies ^ | Michael Vlach

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Rom 9:6 is teaching that “there is an ‘Israel’ within ethnic Israel.”[5] Paul is not saying that believing Gentiles are now part of Israel. Instead, believing Jews are the true Israel. William Sanday and Arthur C. Headlam make this point:

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[GiovannaNicoletta]

Thanks for posting - I just heard a presentation today that reinforces that Paul is speaking to the Jews - that the true Israel are those Jews who have dome to faith in Jesus Christ.

When the passage is taken in context, it states:

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9For this is the word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.” (Romans 9:6-9)

It has nothing to do with Gentile believers or the Church because Gentile believers and the Church are not the "children of promise". That title belongs to the descendants of Abraham and Isaac. The true Israel is the assembly of Jewish believers.

Great post!

[nonsporting]

It has nothing to do with Gentile believers or the Church because Gentile believers and the Church are not the "children of promise". That title belongs to the descendants of Abraham and Isaac. The true Israel is the assembly of Jewish believers.

You just cited this, but failed to get it. "They that are children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." (Galatians 3:16)

"For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male or female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, the are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise". (Galatians 3:26-29).

See also Galatians 4:22-31.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Should I just go ahead and send the Religion Moderator an Aryan Brotherhood alert?

[nonsporting]

I just heard a presentation today that reinforces that Paul is speaking to the Jews

It's an epistle to the saints at Rome. They are gentiles.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Can you give the Scripture that refers to Gentile believers as the "children of promise"?

Thanks.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Where does God refer to Gentile believers as “the children of promise”?

[wtc911]

yes, you should.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Only if you can repost where I ever said to kill the Jews.

[allmost]

YES.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

FYI

[nonsporting]

Can you give the Scripture that refers to Gentile believers as the "children of promise"?

"Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free." (Galatians 4:29-31)

This epistle was written to gentile saints in Galatia.

[allmost]

Selfish. Is... unevolved.

[Eccl 10:2]

Israel is Israel. It is not the church. It is most certainly not the Catholic Church. It is most certainly not the Black church.

Israel is Israel. We are done here.

[huldah1776]

Galations 4