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Crisis between U.S. nuns and Vatican has been a long time coming
Vatican Insider ^ | April 26, 2012 | marco tosatti

Posted on 04/27/2012 2:42:55 PM PDT by NYer

The doctrinal rebuff which the LCWR received from the Holy See, has its roots back in 1971, when the U.S.’s women religious rewrote their statute

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, led by U.S. Cardinal William Levada, has asked for a deep reform of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), the organisation which represents the majority of religious women’s orders in the United States. The request for the reform came after the conclusions of an inquiry showed that ““the current doctrinal and pastoral situation of the LCWR is grave and a matter of serious concern.” The Congregation concluded that an intervention from the Vatican was necessary to reform the group. The Archbishop of Seattle, Peter Sartain, was chosen as the Vatican delegate to supervise the reform process. The leader of the LCWR will have to assist in reviewing the group’s statutes, plan programmes, review liturgical texts and reconsider the group’s affiliations to other organisations.

 

The Congregation’s declaration based on the results of an apostolic visit by the Bishop of Toledo, Ohio, Leonard Blaire, revealed "serious doctrinal problems which affect many in consecrated life." According to the Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith, many American nuns have drifted away from “the fundamental Christological centre and focus of religious consecration.” One of the more serious accusations was that nuns had challenged the teachings of the Catholic Church on subjects such as homosexuality and the priesthood and that they had promoted “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith.” The organisation was also criticised for making public statements that “disagree with or challenge positions taken by the bishops, who are the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals.” American bishops are critical of some aspects of Obama’s health care reform and yet dozens of nuns signed a document in support of it, detaching themselves from the stance taken by the Holy See on the issue. On its website, the LCWR says it has 1500 members and represents 80% of women religious in the U.S.

 

But this crisis goes back a long way.” “After having studied this for many years, I think it was 40 years in the making,” Ann Carey, author of Sisters in crisis: the tragic Uraveling of Women religious communities said. Relations between the LCWR and the Vatican have been stormy since 1971, when the LCWR rewrote its statutes. “The Vatican was patient, trying to give the sisters some guidelines to modify the direction they were taking, and they resisted that.” The changes made were so drastic that some nuns actually left the LCWR and formed a separate group, known as the Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious (CMSWR). But - and this is probably one of the many reasons that have driven the Holy See and particularly the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, while the Congregation for religious life has taken a much softer line – it is this minority that has the largest number of vocations. Indeed, numbers of women religious in the U.S. have dropped from 179.954 in 1965 to 55.000 today.

 

After their initial reaction to the inquiry’s conclusions, the leaders of the LCWR are now saying they are cautiously open to dialogue with the commission of American Bishops set up by Rome and led by the Archbishop of Seattle, J. Peter Sartain. “We will engage in dialogue where possible and be open to the movement of the Holy Spirit: We ask your prayers for us and for the Church at this critical time," the Archbishop said in a statement. Mgr. Sartain said he was committed to “help[ing] the sisters and the LCWR recognize that we are all in this together.” He went on to speak about his “personal appreciation for the role of religious women in the United States” and all the “all the extraordinary things they have done.” Sartain is aiming for a soft approach. Others, however, are less diplomatic. For example, Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, head of the Vatican Supreme Tribunal, who some time ago denounced the "public and obstinate betrayal of religious life by certain religious."

 

Of course, the secular press immediately sided with the nuns against the Vatican. But there are others who are asking themselves whether certain kinds of behaviour and attitudes should be tolerated in the Church. George Weigel, a Church historian, writes that in most cases, as far as the LCWR is concerned, “their spiritual life is more likely to be influenced by the Enneagram and Deepak Chopra than by Teresa of Avila and Edith Stein; their notions of orthodoxy are, to put it gently, innovative; and their relationship to Church authority is best described as one of barely concealed contempt.”

 

In some communities of nuns belonging to the LCWR, many do not attend the Eucharist regularly because - Weigel says - they cannot abide the “patriarchy” of a male priest presiding at mass. Some churches allegedly celebrate fake Eucharistic services. In others, liturgical rules are said to bend the liturgical norms to the breaking point in order to radically minimize the role of the male priest. And as Weigel mercilessly adds, “The other fact to be noted about the LCWR congregations — largely unremarked in the Gadarene rush to pit plucky nuns against Neanderthal prelates — is that they're dying.” Faced with the theological, spiritual and behavioural meltdown of many congregations, “young Catholic women have quite sensibly decided that, if they wish to do good works or be political activists while dressing like middle-class professionals and living in apartments, there is little reason to bind themselves, even in an attenuated way, to the classic vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.” According to Weigel, without a radical overhaul, it is a matter of a decade or so before these orders, which are becoming “greyer and greyer”, disappear.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: lcwr

1 posted on 04/27/2012 2:43:01 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 04/27/2012 2:43:46 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: NYer
Are the nuns now demanding free contraception too? ;0)
3 posted on 04/27/2012 2:49:16 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: NYer

US nuns are a bunch of left wing nutz. They have adopted every liberal cause there is and its high time the Vatican show them them some discipline.


4 posted on 04/27/2012 2:49:52 PM PDT by anton
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To: NYer

Freud would call it Chalice Envy


5 posted on 04/27/2012 2:53:12 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: NYer

Yea!!!!

I knew our Holy Father Benedict could do it if anyone ever would.

Benedict for President!


6 posted on 04/27/2012 2:54:21 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: RitaOK

B16 is so much more conservative than JP2.

He may be old and physically exhausted, but he ain’t no pushover.


7 posted on 04/27/2012 3:09:57 PM PDT by 353FMG (Congress happily sowing the seed of our self-destruction.)
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To: COBOL2Java

“Freud would call it Chalice Envy”

Chalices are concave and therefore symbolically feminine. That should be crooked staff envy, or something.


8 posted on 04/27/2012 3:18:41 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: NYer

I know I will catch hell for this post but what it appears like to me is that while the Church is trying to get rid of the pedophiles and homosxual priests, the Bull Dyke nuns are gaining in power.

It’s time they either dropped out of the convent and sought real jobs or regain the faith they have lost.


9 posted on 04/27/2012 3:26:48 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 353FMG

“B16 is so much more conservative than JP2.”

I remember when JP2 died, and people asked me what name his successor would take. I thought it might be Pius XIII, and assured them it would not be JP3 - we couldn’t have another 25 years like that.


10 posted on 04/27/2012 3:39:13 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: NYer
Relations between the LCWR and the Vatican have been stormy since 1971

Quite correct. This showdown has been 40 years in the making. This is, as Ronald Reagan would say, a Time for Choosing which side we are on.

11 posted on 04/27/2012 3:52:34 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Venturer

Yes, exactly. I am not Catholic but I greatly admire this Pope. It seems to me that lesbians are dominating the orders and want to be given free housing etc. while propagating their Gaia faith.


12 posted on 04/27/2012 4:06:57 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: iowamark
My aunt was a nun. She just passed away. The last time she visited, my dad said (when she left the room after lecturing us about giving everything to the poor, my dad said....."get a job".

I have no doubt...she was a communist.

13 posted on 04/27/2012 4:13:43 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kearnyirish2

Paul Vi was the most liberal pope we have ever had. And if you think that John Paul II was loved by liberals, you surely don’t remember the 1979 confrontation between him and the leader of the LCWR, nor his efforts to get the Jebbies under control, no rejection of liberation theology Without him, there would be no Ratzinger, no catechism. Politically, all the recent popes have been more liberal than an old fashioned Democrat like Sam Rayburn or Lyndon Johnson, except with respect to Marxism. Theologically, all incuding Pope Paul, have been conservative.


14 posted on 04/27/2012 4:18:56 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NYer

It seems to me that good Pope Benedict has been known as the “Enforcer.” I expect he will live up to that with the renegade nuns. Many good people and *good nuns* are praying for this situation.


15 posted on 04/27/2012 4:23:03 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: anton

Not all of them are nutz.

There is an order in Alabama and one in Maryland that is bursting with young ladies who want to serve God through serving others. On one of the link threads is a picture of them vs. the old dying off, nutzy, numn.


16 posted on 04/27/2012 4:26:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: anton
Crisis between U.S. nuns and Vatican has been a long time coming

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The Church and the Sisters: What Is Really Happening?
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The Real Shock...
A Catholic ‘war on women’ {Barf alert/liberal tripe}
The Vatican and the Sisters
The Vatican and the Sisters
NPR Offers Air to Catholic Sister to Diss Pope, Bishops: 'Women Get It First Then Explain to Guys'

Important Background Information About the CDF-LCWR Situation
Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane
Exhibit A for Explaining the LCWR Report
Vatican Crackdown on U.S. Nuns a Long Time Brewing
LCWR: getting to the truth of the matter (the blogosphere response to CDF document)
Radical feminist nuns’ group ‘stunned’ by Vatican criticisms, reform plan
Vatican announces reform of US women's religious conference (more details)
Citing doctrinal problems, Vatican announces reforms of US nuns' group
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LCWR Having a Bad Day. Vatican Names Archbishop Delegate to Continue Watching LCWR and Network

17 posted on 04/27/2012 4:28:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) is a radical group promoting the Marxist doctrine of Social Justice. It has recently angered American Bishops by siding with the Obama Regime with the health care mandate on contraception. This group will also be working with the Spring 2012 Occupy Movement. Kathleen Desautels, Sisters of Provedence and Liz Deligio, Social Justice Director FSPA — Staff of 8th Day Center for Justice are cited as working with the SCWR for the Occupiers on their web site.

It is my opinion that the LCWR is a Communist effort to infiltrate the Roman Catholic Church and destroy it. Bravo to the Vatican to take this fight to the enemy.

18 posted on 04/27/2012 4:55:48 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: NYer

Spring cleaning on the way!


19 posted on 04/27/2012 4:59:25 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for your important links. They will tell the story of the effort to destroy the Catholic Church’s opposition to the moral drift the Left is taking our nation.


20 posted on 04/27/2012 4:59:49 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: jonrick46

What the NOW gang is to America, the LCWR is to the RC Church.

All bad news.


21 posted on 04/27/2012 5:40:30 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: anton
US nuns are a bunch of left wing nutz.

Both you and the author have confused the term sister and nun. Nuns are cloistered, sisters are not. Big difference between the two.

22 posted on 04/27/2012 5:41:56 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Tublecane

Crosier envy?


23 posted on 04/27/2012 6:16:51 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer
Long time coming? Rev. Mother Superior thinks it is LONG OVERDUE!!! Photobucket
24 posted on 04/27/2012 7:31:52 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: RobbyS

I think Paul VI’s stance against artificial contraception was the defining moment of his papacy, and had no parallel under JP II. While JP II did give us Cardinal Ratzinger, in the US Church the Cardinal was the scapegoat for the continued conservatism of the Church; JP II was slow to enforce orthodoxy in the US bishops and it was left to Ratzinger to do so.


25 posted on 04/29/2012 3:38:41 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Reform comes slowly. Consider how long it took for the Council of Trent to meet after the popes overcame their antipathy to councils and agreed to call one. But the situation in the United States was more like that in England when Queen Mary to the throne. Under King Edward, the Protestant party led by Cranmer has instituted radical reforms which went against the grain of the people who were still largely Catholic in sentiment. This is why the Queen , led by her kinsman Cardinal Pole, dared to resume relations with Rome. But there was still a large Protestant party with which Princess Elizabeth was still tenuously allied. But in the United States in 1979, the bishops were mainly “reformers.” There was no equivalent to Cardinal Pole. If Mary had lived another twenty years, probably Elizabeth would have turned Catholic, maybe even married her “Robin.” But “ifs” don’t matter in history.


26 posted on 04/29/2012 10:03:11 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

“Reform comes slowly.”

What happens to the souls of those who pass in the meantime?

Shouldn’t there be a bit of a sense of urgency about this?


27 posted on 04/30/2012 3:07:39 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

One can be as urgent as one wants, but that doesn’t mean one can make powerful men do what they don’t want to do. The USCCB is a power bloc, and its leaders, like many of the leaders in the Vatican itself , were liberals. The apostolic delegate had been busily packing the episcopate with soulmates, so Bernardin had the votes. John Paul faced similar situations everywhere. Pius X only pushed modernism underground and V2 gave it its opportunity to emerge in force. Myself, it has only been in the last 20 years that I have come to see what ruin has been done in the name of its “spirit.”


28 posted on 04/30/2012 8:35:53 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

John Paul II appointed most of the current bishops (at least by the time he had died); the buck stops there.

The USCCB is a paper tiger in terms of power, which is why Obama doesn’t fear them; I’d like to see how many voters they can pull from the “D” column with this current battle. The majority of Americans listened to their bishops as long as the path to salvation was wide; I’m curious to see how this shakes out.


29 posted on 04/30/2012 3:17:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Wrong. The pope ratifies their appointments. The American bishops usually nominate them. It is then sent up the chain through the apostolic delegate, then to Rome. The Curia has much less control over who gets bishop than it did during the time of Pius XII, who had pointmen like Spellman in the USA.


30 posted on 04/30/2012 6:14:38 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

“The pope ratifies their appointments.”

Enough said; he has 100% control over who “gets bishop”.


31 posted on 05/01/2012 1:48:21 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Theoretically the President “picks” the asst secretary of hod-carrying. Get with it. The pope does not KNOW, seldom does know these people personally. He may know someone like Kurt Campbell, who has a resume as long as your arm, but leaves the lesser missions to underlings. Furthermore, the Holy Father is now having adliminas in groups of bishops because he no longer has the energy to see them one on one for even fifteen minutes. John Paul was in worse shape for the last ten years of his life. The Vatican is a court, and the pope is only the head of that court. The power of that court was greatly limited by the manuevers of Vatican II. Remember that the Curia could not even set the agenda of the Council. Like many councils in history, the council was a revolt against Rome. Trent and Vatican I were notable exceptions.


32 posted on 05/01/2012 9:53:59 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

There is a reason why Jesus picked Peter to be the first Pope, while asking John to care for His Mother; some people will try, and some people have earned the right not to be put to the test. John the Beloved was the only apostle not to die a martyr’s death, while Peter insisted on not being crucified in the same manner as Our Lord (he was crucified upside down instead for his protestations).

There is no defense, especially in this day and age (media-wise) for inactivity on the part of our shepherd.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 10:54:24 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

No general is better than his army.


34 posted on 05/01/2012 11:05:13 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Sacajaweau
What order was your Aunt a member of? Did she do nothing to help the poor, teach children or minister to the sick?

There are many faithful religious who do these things and ask for nothing.

35 posted on 05/01/2012 11:13:57 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: jonrick46
Thank you for this information. Not all religious are a part of these abominations, i.e., LCWR.

God bless this Pope and help him to cleanse the Church.

36 posted on 05/01/2012 11:17:34 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for this clarification. Holy Orders is not so clear to many Catholics as it once was.... and things have changed so much since the 1960’s when I was first introduced to the subject and possiblity of becoming a Dominican Nun.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 11:22:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Salvation

Love you Salvation... you are always always always there with THE MOST important links!!!


38 posted on 05/01/2012 11:29:51 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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