[Salvation]

**We all know that many Catholics are sick of mediocrity and banality; they want meat and richness and fullness and beauty. **

Can the REAL Catholics here on FR shout "Amen!"

[Salvation]

And now the truth:

Related Links, Articles, and Book Excerpts:

• The Adoremus Missal website
• A New Translation for a New Roman Missal (DVD)
• Mass Revision: How the Liturgy is Changing and What it Means for You, by Jimmy Akin
• A Biblical Walk Through the Mass, by Dr. Edward Sri
• The Mass of Vatican II | Fr. Joseph Fessio, S.J.
• The Spirit of the Liturgy page
• For "Many" or For "All"? | From God Is Near Us: The Eucharist, the Heart of Life | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
• Foreword to U.M. Lang's Turning Towards the Lord: Orientation in Liturgical Prayer | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
• Music and Liturgy | From The Spirit of the Liturgy | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
• The Altar and the Direction of Liturgical Prayer | From The Spirit of the Liturgy | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
• On Saying the Tridentine Mass | Fr. James V. Schall, S.J.
• Reform or Return? | An Interview with Rev. Thomas M. Kocik
• Does Christianity Need A Liturgy? | From The Heresy of Formlessness: The Roman Liturgy and Its Enemy | Martin Mosebach
• Walking To Heaven Backward | Interview with Father Jonathan Robinson of the Oratory
• Rite and Liturgy | Denis Crouan, STD
• The Liturgy Lived: The Divinization of Man | Jean Corbon, OP
• Worshipping at the Feet of the Lord: Pope Benedict XVI and the Liturgy | Anthony E. Clark, Ph.D.
• The Latin Mass: Old Rites and New Rites in Today's World | Anthony E. Clark, Ph.D.

[philly-d-kidder]

AMEN!

[Prokopton]

The new translation seems reasonable when it is merely going back to the more accurate translation before the “change”. Where the new translation appears to be an academic exercise in linguistics, e.g. using a long unfamiliar word instead of two or three simpler words where there is no single word available for direct translation, it seems counterproductive.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

They didn't accidentally "get it wrong."

They are deliberately spreading disinformation in hopes of stirring the pot.

[COBOL2Java]

(CNN gets it wrong!)

That's kind of like saying Five O'Clock Charlie "gets it wrong"...

[icwhatudo]

Its funny how the same liberal social justice CINO’s that all talk about welcoming change are now the ones most upset by these changes.

[perez24]

We’ve been using the new text for several weeks now and we’ve had a large number of homilies and meetings about it to get everyone up to speed. It’s still hard to remember where the changes occur, but I think our pastor is really doing a good job about getting us ready.

[savagesusie]

Amen.

This is a start....I just wish they would go back to the Latin mass. They could write the English translation beneath it and it would really stretch the Catholic mind and give children something to decode. They could learn Latin words like I did-—I had Latin in high school— to help with science and the English and Romance languages.

I think Vatican II was part of the Marxist infiltration—dumbing down— of the Church to destroy it from within. Just my personal “feelings”.

[Havisham]

AMEN

[Heart-Rest]

      Amen!      

We have little booklets in our pews so that each person can review the new changes whenever they get a chance, but the only new things we have been actually using during Masses so far have been some of the musical parts during the Sunday Masses, such as the new "Gloria". I try to review the new wordings for everything at every Mass I go to, but the only thing I have secured in my memory so far is "And with your spirit".      :)

My memorization skills have unfortunately decelerated a bit with the passage of time, and they sometimes "take the scenic route" these days before things stick.

[Biggirl]

Is CNN trying to cause trouble?

[SumProVita]

Amen!!! ;-)

It is refreshing to see that so many bishops have implemented thorough preparation and solid catechesis to prepare the laity for this wonderfully improved translation. This has involved much more than merely learning “word changes.” They have helped people to see the rich and profound celebration that really takes place during the Mass. In our own diocese, it has been much more than intellectual, academic type preparations. It has been beautifully spiritual as well. May have stated that their sense of AWE at what takes place during the Mass has grown by leaps and bounds.

(From what I read on this thread, it would seem that some catechesis on Vatican II might be worthwhile as well.)

;-/

[sayuncledave]

“Can the REAL Catholics here on FR shout “Amen!””

Amen! I’m chomping at the bit. To be completely truthful, I would, given my druthers, prefer my OF with the priest ad orientem, with Gregorian Chant, more solemn vestments and the OF in Latin, if possible. I love the Traditional Latin Mass, but cannot often be where I wish. At the least, the new translation is more reverent, more appropriate, and closer by far, to the same in Latin.

A pair of ICC lectures for folks interested in this:
The Holy Mass: Reform, Ruin & Restoration
(http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media.htm#holymass)

Liturgiam Authenticam: The True Story Behind the New Translation of the Roman Missal
(http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media.htm#la)

[Highway55]

AMEN!+

[SuziQ]

I can say “AMEN”! I’ve noticed that the folks complaining the loudest were the ones who wanted the changes 30 years ago, claiming that making them would make people like Mass, and want to come more often. That didn’t happen, so they don’t like that their changes are being changed.