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“And I Saw the Hosts of the Dead, Both Small and Great" (Mormonism - Open)
BYU Religious Studies Center ^
| 2009
| Richard E. Bennett
Posted on 10/26/2010 1:56:45 PM PDT by Colofornian
Joseph F. Smith...
...spoke of having...received...his final, vision of the dead...he said he “saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great,” ...waiting in a state of paradise for their ultimate redemption and resurrection...Choosing not to go Himself to the wicked and unfaithful dead who waited in the more nether realms of the spirit world, Christ organized a great missionary force..., dispatching them to minister...to “all the spirits of men,” those who had been less faithful and obedient in their mortal lives, including, as Peter writes, “those who were sometime disobedient” in the days of Noah...In addition, he saw many of the ancient prophets, including Adam and Eve, involved in this spirit prison ministry of redemption...His vision closed with the declaration that the dead “who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God...after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions.”[49]
SNIP
For reasons not entirely clear...the document was not formally accepted as canonized scripture for almost sixty years. Then, in 1976, President Spencer W. Kimball directed that it be added to the Pearl of Great Price.[51]
Later, in June 1979, the First Presidency announced it would become section 138 of the Doctrine and Covenants. Considered an indispensable contribution to...performances of proxy ordinances for the dead, including baptism for the dead and confirmation, and of the relationship between the living and the dead, it has been heralded as “central to the theology of the Latter-day Saints because it confirms and expands upon earlier prophetic insights concerning work of the dead.”[52]...
Because this document is far more than a mere sermon to the faithful Latter-day Saint and because it is regarded as the word and will of the Lord—in fact, it is the only canonized revelation of the twentieth century—it bears careful scrutiny.
(Excerpt) Read more at rsc.byu.edu ...
TOPICS: History; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: baptismofthedead; inman; lds; mormons; occult
To: All
From the article:
Because this document is far more than a mere sermon to the faithful Latter-day Saint and because it is regarded as the word and will of the Lord—in fact, it is the only canonized revelation of the twentieth century—it bears careful scrutiny. It certainly does bear "careful scrutiny." (BTW, if Mormons are so quick to tout that "We have a living 'prophet' and you-ou don't...why were their 'living prophets' averaging only one canonized revelation per century??? And even then, it took over 60 years to get this settled into the Mormon doctrine & covenants???)
To: All
From the article:
Christ organized a great missionary force..., dispatching them to minister...to "all the spirits of men," those who had been less faithful and obedient in their mortal lives...So...the bikes, white shirts, ties, bike helmets, and backpacks are being forwarded to the spirit world?
To: All
From the article:
Considered an indispensable contribution to...performances of proxy ordinances for the dead, including baptism for the dead and confirmation, and of the relationship between the living and the dead, it has been heralded as “central to the theology of the Latter-day Saints because it confirms and expands upon earlier prophetic insights concerning work of the dead.”Hmm...one sentence...and he mentions "the dead" four times!!! (Can you say, "Obsessed" w/the dead?...and he's quite representative of this religion)
Not only that, but this Lds author says this "vision of the dead" is "central to the theology of the Latter-day Saints..."
IOW, we're not just dealing with obscure, fringe stuff that happened to one Lds "prophet" in October of 1918. It's CENTRAL to 21st-century Mormon theology!!!!!
To: Colofornian
Do you know, what are “the hosts of the dead” that he supposedly saw? Just wondering. Thank you.
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posted on
10/26/2010 2:03:38 PM PDT
by
NEMDF
To: All
This Lds "prophet"
saw many of the ancient prophets, including Adam and Eve...??? Adam and Eve were "prophets"? Why, who knew?
(And if the Lds church is a "restoration" of the early Church founded by Jesus Christ, why doesn't the Lds church have "prophetesses" like Eve, Anna (Luke 2:36) or Philip's daughters in Acts 21:9...others in OT, too)?
To: All
From the article:
For reasons not entirely clear...the document was not formally accepted as canonized scripture for almost sixty years. Then, in 1976, President Spencer W. Kimball directed that it be added to the Pearl of Great Price.[51] Later, in June 1979, the First Presidency announced it would become section 138 of the Doctrine and Covenants.So the Mormon god gave this guy a vision of the dead when he was in poor health and about the die, as he was greaving over recent losses in his own family. And then the Mormon church does what with this so-called "revelation"? (They sit on it for almost 60 years before treating it as "official" Mormon "scripture")??? [Boy, "good news" travels fast in Mormon circles...Maybe the Mormon god had to wait...in case he changed his mind again on his teachings...]
To: Colofornian
Is this rant from a disapproval of a religion perspective, like Stalin ordered; or, is it a “my religion is better than your religion” rant; or, I have a religion and yours doesn’t qualify rant?
Just wondering.
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posted on
10/26/2010 2:16:01 PM PDT
by
Loud Mime
("A question? What is it?" Airplane!)
To: Colofornian
Were the Hosts of the Dead in the Sun? And Classy Green-Eyed Blonde was a Mormon ... who knew?
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posted on
10/26/2010 2:22:19 PM PDT
by
r9etb
To: Loud Mime
The post looked like information to me...from BYU.
Are you a mormon?
To: NEMDF
Do you know, what are “the hosts of the dead” that he supposedly saw? Just wondering. Thank you.Yes.
He claims he saw his father, Hyrum Smith, brother of Joseph Smith, who died in a shootout in a Nauvoo jail. (Hyrum was immediately shot in the face by somebody outside the cell...but he also had a back wound nobody could explain as the trajectory could not have come from outside...and his brother, Joseph, was wielding two pistols at the time)
Also, per George S. Tate, Mormon author published by BYU, who was citing Lds Doctrine & Covenants 138: First it shows us the vast concourses of the dead: In verse 11, for example, it refers to “the hosts of the dead, both great and small”, verse 12 an “innumerable company”, verse 18 “vast multitude”, verse 38 “vast congregation”, verse 57 “the great world of the spirits of the dead.” Source: www.byub.org/talks/Download.aspx?id=2672&md=pdf
And in v. 57 of D&C 138, Smith references "faithful elders" (Lds missionaries) as among the mix...and what a mix it is...because Lds authors say they included both the "just...spirits" as well as "...the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins...having rejected the prophets."
Source: The Doctrine of Temple Work
So Smith said he saw "just" and rebel spirits alike.
To: Colofornian
Seekers of truth,
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.
They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.
They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.
Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn’t been addressed a hundred times before.
You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That’s a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don’t think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.
Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.
Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
Now you will likely notice the “you never address our points” posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.
Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won’t know will you?
Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both “sides”. Make up your own mind.
I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
PD
To: Paragon Defender
Does it bother you that Mormons commit the same sin of wanting to be like God that damned Lucifer/Satan to hell?
To: Paragon Defender
Paragon Defender Maxims: "The way to highlight the straw man is to embody him!""Make the posters the issue, not the issues."
There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis. They have an obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The strawman argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picked quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation. 
Link
As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]
How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church. Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqhFm2Zpck
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posted on
10/26/2010 4:03:58 PM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
To: Colofornian
mormonism and the Occult - Look at the scriptures and see what happened to those whom dappled with the seers and other occult practices. Remember in the Old Testament there was King Saul whom decided since the prophet was late he would dedicate his own offerings (1 Samuel 13) instead of waiting for God;’s appointed prophet. King Saul seeks out a witch (seer) (1 Samuel 28) to talk to the dead. What happened to Saul he was killed in battle. Occult and Christianity do not mix.
Yes I am fully awareof the US Constitution regarding and the First Amendment to the US Constitution Bill of Rights the ten Amendments were ratified effective December 15, 1791 - Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance.
Here is a church body that has a freedom of religion. What if the religion is pitted with so many falsehoods that it abrogates its Christian values with values and beliefs that are not Christ like.
Are people aware that the reason Genealogy is so prevalent in the Mormon Church. The Living Mormons can become a higher God if they can trace their ancestors back in time, they beleive that the more ancestors that they can get a pardon for their past sins (indulgences of the Roman Catholic Church that caused a stir that brought about the Protestant Reformation) Worshipping the dead in order to become something that God abhored back in King Sauls time, is against Christianity yet today
Is Occultism seeking after the face of God? The answer is no it abrogates the Holy Bible to a secondary status.
Another example that is prevalent today is the issue of Liberation Theology it combines Marxism and the Bible and strives to state that Karl marx beliefs and values were advocated by Christ Jesus. How can the tenants of Marxism that can be summed up Christianity is the Opiate of the People.
Karl Marx tenants came to fruitation at about the same time that Joseph’s Smiths translations from the supposed writings from the angel Moroni and the animistic works of native American were being discussed in the schools of higher learning in the New England States and New York.
Germany was ripe with the concept that God was dead.
What is Mormonism - it is the development of a religious experience that occurred in America. Keep in mind what religions were present in America prior to the europeans resettlement in the New World Animistic Religions. Mormonism claims that its religious practice is based on the history of religious development in America (Is not that a red flag to some in America)
What is Liberation Theology an animistic religion that utilizes that the Europeans Conquered the native peoples (of central, caribbean islands and South America - a history of religious development in the Southern hemisphere of the New World (America) and became oppressors. It combines animistic religious experience and the tenants of Karl Marx (Elitist Europeans)to develop a religious experience that abrogates Christian values and principals.
Mormonism abrogates Christianity with many od the same animistic religious practices. Is there a correlation that is ongoing with Marxism and Mormonism. Thanks for the opportunity to say what I have to say. I am not trying to cause conflict. But look at the underpinnings of the similarities of Mormonism and Marxism both had a policy of that is rooted in practices that are rather like Devil worshipping.
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posted on
10/26/2010 4:04:33 PM PDT
by
hondact200
( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
To: Loud Mime
Is this rant from a disapproval of a religion perspective, like Stalin ordered; or, is it a “my religion is better than your religion” rant; or, I have a religion and yours doesn’t qualify rant?
Definitely the second one!
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
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posted on
10/26/2010 8:03:30 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Paragon Defender
They have a misguided obsession.
SURE we do!
Acts 13:12
When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord.
Acts 17:18-19
18. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
19. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
1 Corinthians 11:2
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
Ephesians 4:14-15
14. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
15. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 Timothy 2:7
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
1 Timothy 4:11
Command and teach these things.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
2 Timothy 1:13
What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Titus 2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
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posted on
10/26/2010 8:05:23 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Thanks for the clarification! I’ll stop here and heed some passages by Luke.
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posted on
10/27/2010 6:20:45 AM PDT
by
Loud Mime
("A question? What is it?" Airplane!)
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