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When America Feared and Reviled Catholics
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 10/10/10 | Sharon Davies

Posted on 10/11/2010 8:46:02 PM PDT by marshmallow

In the early 1900s, many Americans — from ordinary citizens to those in high office — were frightened by the perceived threat from the Roman Catholic Church. Their fear had tragic consequences.

The mind-set is all too familiar: A radical religious group, lurking inside the country, owing loyalty to a foreign power, threatens America. No one denies that its members have a right to worship as they please, but good Americans, patriots, feel compelled to call for curbs against the menace they present. Because of the number of Americans sharing these fears, calls for restrictions on the religion are voiced openly and unapologetically, even proudly.

Today this description may bring to mind the flap over the proposed Islamic cultural center near ground zero in New York, or recent calls for greater restrictions on Muslims in America, like banning their service on the Supreme Court or in the Oval Office. But in fact, it describes the year 1920, when the reviled group was Roman Catholics, not Muslims. As Mark Twain once quipped, history may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

In the early 1900s, many Americans were genuinely frightened by the perceived religious threat of the Roman Catholic Church and the suspected imperialistic intentions of its leader, the pope. He was plotting the overthrow of the United States, warned the fearful, to "make America Catholic." His foot soldiers, tens of thousands of Catholic men who called themselves the Knights of Columbus, were busily stockpiling arms and ammunition in the basements of their churches, all in preparation for the day when their papist leader would give the signal for the violent insurrection to begin.

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A number of state legislatures were persuaded to take steps against the perceived threat as well, mirroring the anti-Catholic fear in their "convent inspection laws." These laws, little remembered today, authorized the warrantless searches of Catholic buildings — convents, monasteries, rectories and churches — for weaponry and for young women supposedly seduced into the nunnery by Catholic lies.

The anti-Catholic fever of the 1920s was not a regional story; it was an American story, extending north, east and west, casting Catholics as second-class citizens for decades.

1 posted on 10/11/2010 8:46:05 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: All

Be respectful of fellow FReepers please.


2 posted on 10/11/2010 8:49:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: marshmallow

Ever watch news coverage of the Catholic Church? Versus coverage of Islam? Who are they kidding, they are out to destroy Christianity TODAY while welcoming Islam everywhere.


3 posted on 10/11/2010 8:50:07 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: BipolarBob
His foot soldiers, tens of thousands of Catholic men who called themselves the Knights of Columbus, were busily stockpiling arms and ammunition in the basements of their churches, all in preparation for the day when their papist leader would give the signal for the violent insurrection to begin.

Today, the Church Basement. Tomorrow, THE WORLD!!!!!!

MUWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!!!!

I am a Third Degree Knight.

4 posted on 10/11/2010 8:51:59 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

Don’t you just love liberals? Every so often—usually during an election year—they interrupt their regularly scheduled kicking, pummeling and scourging of Catholics to feign sympathy for them when they think they might be useful as tool to divide conservatives-who-happen-to-be-Christians.

This time it’s over Muslims. Last time a decade ago it had something to do with GWB speaking at a religulous university that didn’t like Catholics.


5 posted on 10/11/2010 8:53:43 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Williams

When some in this country feared Catholicism, it was still a “CHRISTIAN” religion, not a false moon god warrior religion that rules by the scimitar as opposed to a cross. A world of difference, and Catholics never lopped off any heads. And Catholics were in this country from its very beginning, remember Maryland? What a crock this article is.


6 posted on 10/11/2010 8:53:49 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: marshmallow

As someone who is a Catholic, and remember my grandmother’s reminiscences about being Catholic and German during the ‘10s and ‘20s, I found this article extremely interesting.

Of copurse, the question it wants to ask, and leaves to the reader, is: “Does this mean we have a Muslim President in 2060? - or do we have one now, who is afraid to admit it?”


7 posted on 10/11/2010 8:55:23 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: marshmallow

This is another leftist/liberal coverup for Sharia-Islam and what it wants to do to the world, esp. America. Catholics did not want to make America subservient to the Vatican but Moslem “true-believers” want and must work to make America/Americans subservient to Islam and Mecca.

Just as the LAT covered up communism in California during the 50’s and 60’s, poo-pooing it in the campus revolutions, so too, today, they want to underplay want fundamentalist Islam is really about.

Forget about stoning people buried in the ground, hanging little boys from lampposts; Jews from cranes in Iran, cutting off hands, killing homosexuals, alleged adulterers, mutilating women who go out with a male relative escort, those who try to teach in Afghanistan, etc.

This is real yet the LAT times, like its East Coast counterpart the NY Times and too often the Wash. Post, there is “no threat from Islam”.

Tell that to Thai buddhist monks who have been sliced and diced by Thai moslem terrorists!


8 posted on 10/11/2010 8:59:18 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ArrogantBustard

At my parish, the only thing that gets stockpiled in the basement is donuts. The donut ladies are pretty mean, though. They don’t let me take two :(


9 posted on 10/11/2010 9:04:30 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: flaglady47

Well, actually, Catholics *did* lop off a lot of heads, in the Crusades in the Inquisitions, and in the French Wars of Religion.This doesn’t include simple executions, like those of Mary Queen of England.

But what does the number of heads lopped off, by either side, have to do with the validity of the information discussed in the article?


10 posted on 10/11/2010 9:10:16 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: marshmallow

Its hard to get mad at people you like.

I know, it took a while, but we grow on each other.


11 posted on 10/11/2010 9:19:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: marshmallow

Ok, interesting table talk… however and nonetheless;

There is no moral equivalence between Catholics or Christians versus the reality of Islam being what it is throughout history. Including its precepts, writings, teachings and actions; one just has to look around the world to know this. The only ones who would attempt to mitigate this reality are the ignorant, Sneaks, Cheats and Lairs.

It was not 12 – 14 Roman Catholic Nuns or Priests and their support system claiming in the name of Allah the need to exterminate Americans or to kill Westerners…nor are they the ones conducting a World War upon those who disagree with them.

Please keep in mind: “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.”


12 posted on 10/11/2010 9:27:52 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about their misdirection!)
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To: marshmallow

I wonder what the Middle Eastern Catholics’ would say about this…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2605784/posts


13 posted on 10/11/2010 9:39:11 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about their misdirection!)
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To: marshmallow

This ain’t gonna fly. What was the Catholic 9/11 ? Of course, there never was anything like it, not even a tiny miniature version of it. 9/11 split the country right down the middle. It was obvious that day.


14 posted on 10/11/2010 9:46:12 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: marshmallow
His foot soldiers, tens of thousands of Catholic men who called themselves the Knights of Columbus, were busily stockpiling arms and ammunition in the basements of their churches, all in preparation for the day when their papist leader would give the signal for the violent insurrection to begin.

Ah yes, how soon we have forgotten when the Knights of Columbus lobbed off heads and had suicide covered wagons blowing up buildings.(/sarc) This Times article is for the historically ignorant.

15 posted on 10/11/2010 9:49:11 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: All
In the early 1900s, many Americans were genuinely frightened by the perceived religious threat of the Roman Catholic Church and the suspected imperialistic intentions of its leader, the pope. He was plotting the overthrow of the United States, warned the fearful, to "make America Catholic."
Human beings have the positive and Divine right to daily bread, health care, and other aspects of human dignity. In his Luciferian quest for individual Liberty, however, Western man has destroyed the Divinely-ordained social order under which the Church provided these goods. As a result, the heavy hand of the State will now intrude into every aspect of public life in its futile attempt to build a just society. Ironically, the worship of individual liberty instigated by the “reformers” of the Church and the secular counterparts of the “enlightenment” has destroyed the liberty under God that individuals once enjoyed as organic parts of the Catholic and medieval social order.”
-- Catholic FReeper B-Chan (now banned), from his blog “How Liberalism and Libertarianism Destroyed Liberty”
“Maybe now they will begin to see that the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and Wall Street are part of the same monstrous history-spanning project that brought us the French Revolution, the Soviet Union, and two World Wars....We Catholics need do nothing but watch and pray. The house of cards John Locke and his contemporaries have built is about to come down upon its own foundation of sand. And after the crash comes, those of us who survive can once again take up the task given us by God after the last pagan empire fell: the construction of civilization based not upon Libery, Equality, and Fraternity, but upon Tradition, Family, and Property. In place of the fallen gods of atheistic Reason and individualist Liberty we will re-erect the twin pillars of Altar and Throne.”
— Catholic FReeper B-Chan (now banned), August 14, 2010
on the thread Catholic Government [Michael Voris video]

16 posted on 10/11/2010 9:52:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: marshmallow

Man, this piece has ‘chutzpah’ written all over it. Since this gal has done her little mental projection exercise today, I guess tomorrow the Pope-is-a-pedophile stories will resume. Well, this Catholic ain’t hurrying to buy a copy of the LA Slimes.


17 posted on 10/11/2010 10:20:21 PM PDT by tanuki (Obamacare, Cap and Tax, Amnesty, in that order....)
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To: marshmallow

Maybe they were right - look at the horrible damage Kennedys did to America especially Teddy. Teddy immigration laws destroyed this country. Also the liberal American Catholic church and other lib Protestant denominations helping illegals and gay bishops like Gene Robinson.

Lots of very good Catholic hospitals though. I think the largely Catholic supreme court has let us down on the usurper. Hopefully they will hear Mario Apuzzo’s case.


18 posted on 10/11/2010 11:15:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie

I also remember it was largely the Church and lots of brave men who saved Europe multiple times from Islam.


19 posted on 10/11/2010 11:17:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: marshmallow
Imagine America without 170 years of the Catholic vote. Imagine no JFK, no 1960s, no Vietnam, no Lyndon Johnson and Ted Kennedy, imagine no 1965 immigration act, and colonization by Mexico, imagine all Republican Presidents including the last two terms of Roosevelt, imagine an ultra conservative California.

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20 posted on 10/12/2010 12:36:39 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Some catholics worship social justice and would sacrifice the body of christ for diversity and affirmative action. Promotion of Islam as social justice is the reason Europe is dying and Eurabia is thriving. Economic support of illegal aliens by catholic social service agencies is the norm.


21 posted on 10/12/2010 12:54:51 AM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: marshmallow

And to think, all those ‘convent inspection laws’ helped ease the public panic. After all, once the laws were inforced, the public learn how baseless their fears were.

I’d say we need to do the same now, to ease those ‘baseless fears’ the libtards accuse us of having.

For if it turns out that there isn’t anything to fear about Muslims and mosques, then it will be brought out into the public light - for all America to see. So, for a libtard to fight this, they in essence are fighting to keep the public in the dark.

Curious that libtards, so ever mindful of free speech and critical of secrecy, would be working so diligently to hide baseless nothings from the light of public inspection...

Makes you go ‘Hmmmm’.


22 posted on 10/12/2010 3:15:24 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: ansel12; marshmallow; wagglebee; NYer; johngrace; Salvation; Dr. Brian Kopp; narses; annalex
I am so utterly sick of this stupid canard that floats around your type on FR. It is inaccurate and unchristian. You, sir (ma'am), should be utterly ashamed at hitting fellow FReepers with this accusation. You may as well be accusing your fellow FReepers of voting for Obama.

Actually, I think you would like for us to vote Dhimmicrat next month, wouldn't you? That way, you could have some valid excuse for making up your damnable propaganda campaign.

Or maybe, just maybe, you'd like to deny Catholics the vote. Or maybe, just maybe, you'd like to deny Catholics citizenship.

Guess what: Catholics didn't elect the sonofabitch. There aren't enough of us. Sorry to disappoint you, FRiend, but there just aren't (I wish that there were...we're working on it).

According to this study, Protestants made up 54% of the electorate last cycle. Catholics made up 27%.

This study showed Obama winning 53% - 46% over McCain.

It showed that 45% of Protestants voted for Obama and 54% for McCain. Catholics were, according to this study, the exact opposite (i.e., 54/45). Jewish, other, and unaffiliated were all well over 70% Obama.

I flipped my numbers and calculated the results if Catholics had voted identical to Protestants, Obama still would have won (51.39% - 48.2%).

Bottom line is that it would have been closer, but Obama would have still won. I know you are disappointed to hear that, but deal with it.

23 posted on 10/12/2010 3:26:28 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: marshmallow
Eighty-nine years ago in Birmingham, Ala., in the midst of this simmering anti-Catholic atmosphere, Father James E. Coyle was brutally slain. Coyle, a native of Ireland, had been sent to the United States to begin his priesthood. When he dared to stand up in defense of his faith, federal agents warned the bishop in Mobile about death threats on Coyle's life and pledges to torch his Birmingham church.

Such threats were not idle. During this same period, the popularity of the Ku Klux Klan exploded after it rebranded itself a "patriotic" fraternal organization dedicated to safeguarding America against the threat of Catholics, Jews and the immigrants flooding the country in unprecedented numbers. This new Klan attracted some of "the best men in town" — doctors, lawyers, judges, law enforcement officers, even clergymen.

On Aug. 11, 1921, one of those men — a Methodist minister, the Rev. Edwin R. Stephenson — brought a loaded gun to the porch of Coyle's home and shot him dead in front of a street full of witnesses. About an hour earlier, the priest had committed the apparently unforgivable act of marrying Stephenson's 18-year-old daughter to a practicing Catholic wallpaper hanger of Puerto Rican descent

Tragic story.

24 posted on 10/12/2010 5:57:33 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: markomalley
Actually, I think you would like for us to vote Dhimmicrat next month, wouldn't you?

Without actually trying to read any minds, I think you're on to something. The glee that is often displayed by some people when they point at idiot Catholics and then sort of look at us with narrowed eyes only serves to drive otherwise sensible Catholics back to the dolts in the democrat party. In real life I spend more time undoing damage done by know-nothings than I do refuting actual democrat silliness.

More often than not Republicans are their own worst enemies.

25 posted on 10/12/2010 6:50:34 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: marshmallow
Were these the days of "Catholics Need Not Apply?
26 posted on 10/12/2010 7:44:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley
Actually, I think you would like for us to vote Dhimmicrat next month, wouldn't you?

Actually, if all a guy does is attack fellow conservatives, you have to assume there is another motive. You see the same names pop up again and again trying to drive wedges and using whatever is at hand to do it.

Certain threads attract certain names, who can only attack, attack, attack.

Look at it this way. Secular catholics tend to vote Democrat. High-church protestants tend to vote Democrat. Believing catholics are trending Republican, as are evangelicals. Secular catholics and main-line protestants favor abortion and everything that goes along with it. Believing catholics and evangelicals do not.

Which tells me that believing catholics and believing evangelicals have a lot more in common than they do with their supposed secular brothers, or the members of now apostate churches.

Someone who comes onto a conservative website to attack conservatives continually probably has another agenda.

27 posted on 10/12/2010 9:25:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: Alex Murphy
Catholic FReeper B-Chan (now banned)

Was he banned? I was wondering about that.

28 posted on 10/12/2010 9:30:08 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: markomalley

I noticed that you totally ignored post 20.

You should read it, it explains what has driven the left during our history, you see the same thing in the congressional elections, the California facts are just heartbreaking.


29 posted on 10/12/2010 9:56:31 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: marron
Believing catholics are trending Republican, as are evangelicals.

Evangelicals are not "trending republican", they are the most conservative, pro-life, pro christian voters in America.

The overall Protestant vote has only gone Democrat three times, in 1932, 1936, and 1964, that is it. The Catholic vote has been totally Democrat in our history except for 6 times (and one of those is disputed), the Catholic vote and JFK and TED managed to get our immigration laws rewritten to bring in an unlimited number of Catholics from Hispanic countries, that tells us what the future holds, as they are traditional Catholic voters and will supply the Democrat party with it's traditional Catholic base.

Quit attacking the distraught conservatives that complain about the Catholic vote, and do something to fix it. I'm in California, and bemoan the loss of this once great state, what am I supposed to think when I know the facts in post 20?

30 posted on 10/12/2010 10:13:15 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

You’re attacking conservatives. It doesn’t do any good to attack the people who are already on your side.


31 posted on 10/12/2010 11:40:19 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

You are the one here attacking conservatives, I am discussing the liberal vote, and trying to educate people to it.

Quit attacking the distraught conservatives that complain about the Catholic vote, and do something to fix it. I’m in California, and bemoan the loss of this once great state, what am I supposed to think when I know the facts in post 20?


32 posted on 10/12/2010 11:52:55 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Imagine America without 170 years of the Catholic vote.

Yeah, just imagine if we'd killed off all the Catholics 170 years ago. Just imagine.

You really think you're going to endear yourself to anyone in the Catholic camp -- conservative, liberal, or on the fence -- with rhetoric like this?

Just replace "Catholic" with "black" and see how comfortable FR is with your vitriol. If you shouldn't say it about blacks, you shouldn't say it about Catholics. (If you try to tell me Catholics vote more liberal than blacks, I'll laugh in your face.)

If some of the usual suspects on here aren't Democratic operatives working to drive Catholics out of the GOP, they're doing a darn good imitation of same.

33 posted on 10/12/2010 12:38:02 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

How childish do you have to be to post like that.

Analyzing how America got here, and looking at the left’s vote, is a part of being a conservative looking for answers, and solutions.

How can any conservative political conversation about winning elections be effective, if we conceal all the information on who is voting how?

By the way, are you for concealing all voting information, in regards to demographics and groups, or just “Catholic” voting information?


34 posted on 10/12/2010 12:46:24 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ArrogantBustard

Do you have the fuzzy hat and the totally cool sword?


35 posted on 10/12/2010 2:39:02 PM PDT by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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To: marron; markomalley

Thank you both! Have a blessed day.


36 posted on 10/12/2010 2:47:50 PM PDT by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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To: Jaded

Those are Fourth Degree Knights, but I do have my late FIL’s (4DK) sword.


37 posted on 10/12/2010 2:51:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: annalex
EWTN Live - hosted by Fr. Mitch Pacwa with Professor Sharon Davies, author of "Rising Road, A True Tale of Love, Race, and Religion in America," and the Fr. John Coyle Project, 7-20-2011
38 posted on 08/01/2011 11:05:14 AM PDT by Coleus (Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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To: Coleus
Thank you for the link.



Father James E. Coyle

James Coyle served as Pastor of the Cathedral of St. Paul in downtown Birmingham from 1904 until his assassination on August 11, 1921. Coyle was shot and killed by a Methodist minister for performing a marriage ceremony between the minister's daughter and a Puerto Rican immigrant.

Encyclopedia of Alabama

39 posted on 08/01/2011 5:40:42 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Catholic FReeper B-Chan (now banned)”

WHY was he banned??


40 posted on 08/03/2011 7:04:11 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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