Posted on 02/22/2010 8:00:31 AM PST by Pyro7480
Gen. to Rev. - Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God's Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura....
Matt. 28:20 - "observe ALL I have commanded," but, as we see in John 20:30; 21:25, not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture. So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe. This disproves "Bible alone" theology....
Luke 1:1-4 - Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ, and is writing his Gospel only so that they "realize the certainty of the teachings you have received." Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.
John 20:30; 21:25 - Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.
Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 - these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us....
Gen. to Rev. - Protestants must admit that knowing what books belong in the Bible is necessary for our salvation. However, because the Bible has no "inspired contents page," you must look outside the Bible to see how its books were selected. This destroys the sola Scriptura theory. The canon of Scripture is a Revelation from God which is necessary for our salvation, and which comes from outside the Bible. Instead, this Revelation was given by God to the Catholic Church, the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
(Excerpt) Read more at scripturecatholic.com ...
Catholic ping!
Show me where.
I prefer sola Jesus Christ.
It is extremely difficult to distinguish reasonable traditions of men from the traditions of false prophets.
Tradition is fine ... but to look to tradition first for guidance is to look to the decrees of men over those of the Almighty.
SnakeDoc
Tradition is fine. But if it contradicts scripture it’s corrupt.
If we believe in our heart and confess with our heart that Jesus is the Christ we are saved.
Let's put aside our differences and concentrate on spreading the Good News.
Matt. 15:3 - Jesus condemns human traditions that void God's word. Some Protestants use this verse to condemn all tradition. But this verse has nothing to do with the tradition we must obey that was handed down to us from the apostles. (Here, the Pharisees, in their human tradition, gave goods to the temple to avoid taking care of their parents, and this voids God's law of honoring one's father and mother.)
Mark 7:9 - this is the same as Matt. 15:3 - there is a distinction between human tradition (that we should reject) and apostolic tradition (that we must accept).
Gal. 1:14; Col. 2:22 – Paul also writes about “the traditions of my fathers” and “human precepts and doctrines” which regarded the laws of Judaism. These traditions are no longer necessary.
Acts 2:42 - the members obeyed apostolic tradition (doctrine, prayers, and the breaking of bread). Their obedience was not to the Scriptures alone. Tradition (in Greek, "paradosis") means "to hand on" teaching....
Read more at http://www.scripturecatholic.com/oral_tradition.html#oral-II
The problem is, at least on this website, that some continually INSIST that Catholics are wrong, and the Catholics are continually, in response, playing defense. I thought it was proper time to go on offensive for once.
In the excerpt — I didn’t read the full article — I note that there’s no mention of the Holy Spirit, Who is a sufficient argument against Sola Scriptura.
You guys should save the energy you spend proselytizing Protestants for spreading the Good News to people who haven’t heard it.
“there is a distinction between human tradition (that we should reject) and apostolic tradition (that we must accept).”
I agree. We should not accept human tradition as binding, but should follow apostolic tradition insofar as it is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
From the same link: “ Peter 3:16 - the Scriptures are difficult to understand and can be distorted by the ignorant to their destruction. God did not guarantee the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures. But this is what Protestants must argue in order to support their doctrine of sola Scriptura. History and countless divisions in Protestantism disprove it.”
Scripture is the touchstone. Any teaching that contradicts scripture should immediately be rejected. Tradition does not have that authority in my opinion.
Sola Scriptura of the protestants or Sola Churcheola of the RCC, BOTH makes the Holy Spirit a DOOFUS... They both diminish(dis-honor) the role of the Holy Spirit..
When I enter the doors of many protestant churchs or the doors of many Roman Catholic churches the holy spirit is not noticed or needed at all.. (that I can tell)..
Looks to me like the non catholics worship the bible(and biblical things), and the catholics worship the church(and things about the church).. Maybe not true in all their assembly's but its certainly true in the ones I visited..
Looks like the pot calling the kettle black in both situations.. could be true with the eastern orthodox too however I didn't "test"(visit) them.. But I did visit the Jews, Mormons and JW's... same there.. The Buddhists were just strange..
You’re the only one calling the Holy Spirit a DOOFUS.
*Sigh*
Will we never be rid of the Pharisees?
Wonderful! Can you then share with us which teaching of the Catholic Church is contra-scriptures?
So far as I can tell, Tradition is validated because of how Roman Catholicism views its authority, not because those practices and doctrines are of themselves the means by which we determine Catholicism’s authenticity. As such, all conversations really come down to the seat of Peter. There’s just no sense in hashing out doctrines and practice until all parties agree that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
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