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1 posted on 12/16/2009 7:38:58 AM PST by PanzerKardinal
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Christian fundamentalism believes a supernatural male God who lived above sent his sperm into the womb of the virgin Mary.

No - that would be Mormonism.

2 posted on 12/16/2009 7:43:46 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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Given recent trends, we can expect this “Progressive” Anglican to last maximum 5 more years before he loses all his flock and his church is forced to close.


3 posted on 12/16/2009 7:48:48 AM PST by PGR88
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St Matthews-in-the-City is a beautiful, old-style landmark church. I often Patrol that part of town at night.

In part, it caters to an “alternative” sort of parishioner, as well as your “Typical Anglican”. They also hold classical music concerts there because the acoustics are lovely. My wife and I attended “The Marriage of Figaro” there about 10 years ago — unforgettable.

It’s easy to bag this particular church because they *do* push the corner of the envelope quite hard, particularly on issues of social justice. This billboard is in really poor taste. But amongst their catchment are people who *really do* need Christianizing, and St Matthew’s does that, where other churches don’t. So I won’t criticize them for doing that.

The sort of people who would find this billboard Hell-Funny are the sorts of people who would attend service at St Matthew’s — and arguably would be the sort of people who need church the most. Mission accomplished? End-justifies-the-means? Dunno. But there is some logic to it.

Here is a link to their site: http://www.stmatthews.org.nz/index.php


4 posted on 12/16/2009 7:52:37 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

That is no church if they did that.


6 posted on 12/16/2009 7:55:57 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: PanzerKardinal

If you search “Fear the Lord” in the Bible you will find 130 references. I don’t suppose the author of this tripe pays much attention to those passages.


7 posted on 12/16/2009 7:56:42 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To make the news at Christmas it seems a priest just needs to question the literalness of a virgin giving birth. Many in society mistakenly think that to challenge literalism is to challenge the norms of Christianity. What progressive interpretations try to do however is remove the supernatural obfuscation and delve into the deeper spiritual truth of this festival.

Sounds like the way most Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, and mainline Protestants interpret Genesis.

I wonder what the good "progressive" bishop thinks of the supernatural obfuscation of Maori creation myths. Suppose he'd ridicule them?

Christian fundamentalism believes a supernatural male God who lived above sent his sperm into the womb of the virgin Mary. Although there were a series of miraculous events surrounding Jesus’ birth – like wandering stars and angelic choirs – the real miracle was his death and literal resurrection 33 years later. The importance of this literal resurrection is the belief that it was a cosmic transaction whereby the male God embraced humanity only after being satiated by Jesus’ innocent blood.

This forum is crawling with militant "orthodox chr*stians" who believe all the above but who insist that cannot be "fundamentalists" because they do not believe Genesis is literally true.

I'm still trying to figure out why a literal six day creation that concluded just 5769+ years ago is any more irrational than a virgin birth.

9 posted on 12/16/2009 7:57:41 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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Progressive Christianity is distinctive in that not only does it articulate a clear view it is also interested in engaging with those who differ. Its vision is one of robust engagement. If every Christian thought the same not only would life be deadly boring but also the fullness of God would be diminished. This is the consequence of its incarnational theology: God is among us; even among those we disagree with or dislike.

Incarnationism--every "progressive chr*stian's" favorite concept (just so it's not meant literally).

11 posted on 12/16/2009 7:59:36 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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"Progressive Christianity believes the Christmas stories are fictitious accounts designed to introduce the radical nature of the adult Jesus."

"Progressive Christianity however emphasizes behaviour above belief."

Wow. Makes The Episcopal Church seem almost traditional. For now.

This philosophy is very close to The Episcopal Church's Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori's philosophy, who has called the philosophy of individual salvation through the belief in Jesus Christ "the great Western heresy", despite the fact this belief is a canon of The Episcopal Church and must be declared to be confirmed as a member of the church (BCP p415).

16 posted on 12/16/2009 8:11:57 AM PST by magellan
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My friends this is pure blasphemy because it infers God and His Word are not truth. Barking out the Lords name via a heated curse filled moment is trivial compared to this depiction-—and by a so-called ‘religious’ church. Jesus reserved his most scathing judgement for the ‘robe wearing religious hypocrites’ of His day and we are witnessing the modern version of it. Good luck with that gig declaring that the Almighty is a liar come Judgement Day.


17 posted on 12/16/2009 8:12:44 AM PST by tflabo
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Do these people know anything about Christianity? You would think that they would have at least seen “Charlie Brown's Christmas”? Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. There was no “sperm” involved. God is not a biological male or a penis in the sky. God has gender but not sex. It does not surprise me that anything with the modifier,”progressive,” in its name would deny the teachings of Scripture. Progressive is a euphemism for liberal.
19 posted on 12/16/2009 8:15:17 AM PST by Nosterrex
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Christian fundamentalism believes a supernatural male God who lived above sent his sperm into the womb of the virgin Mary.

Since when did Mormons, Inc. fall out under the heading of Christian Fundamentalism?

21 posted on 12/16/2009 8:17:28 AM PST by Gamecock
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Many in society mistakenly think that to challenge literalism is to challenge the norms of Christianity. Talk about being "literal". This guy and his ilk can't get beyond the latest cultural PC interpretations of anything. Thus they are unable to accept the supernatural. They are blinded by what they can measure or view through their own limitations and what the current ideologies tell them to accept as true. They refuse to admit the possibility that they may even suffer from their own human limitations - and trust what has proven true by its fruits for generations. It's called ... guess what ... Pride!! "Unless you become as little children..."
27 posted on 12/16/2009 8:21:53 AM PST by Kandy
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OK, I'm going to get flak for this but,

Lighten up, Everyone!

There is no commandment prohibiting humor; even humor involving saints, or the Lord himself (as long as it's not disrespectful).

While those of the Roman Rite will find it offensive because it challenges their “ever-Virgin” doctrine; that's their problem, their doctrine is wrong. The Bible clearly states that Jesus had brothers (NOT stepbrothers, cousins, or whatever other misrepresentations are offered; the Greek word was “brothers”!)

Guys, have you ever wondered what it was like to be Joseph?? How he felt about this? Did he have doubts? (Yes, at first.) Was he insecure as a result? Etc.

That's what this is poking fun at; but it also is acknowledging and affirming that Jesus is the Son of God.

29 posted on 12/16/2009 8:22:56 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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My favorite quote from Mother Angelica:

"Never apologize for the

Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica


30 posted on 12/16/2009 8:26:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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these people won’t be happy at the moment of their particular judgment (when they die) because they made a choice to diss the Mother of Jesus Christ, both Man and God.


32 posted on 12/16/2009 8:27:27 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The importance of this literal resurrection is the belief that it was a cosmic transaction whereby the male God embraced humanity only after being satiated by Jesus’ innocent blood.

Kind of over looks the part that God the Father=Jesus.

This is typical of liberal churches, they look at God as a cosmic child abuser, not someone who came down Himself and bore the penalty for us going through life flipping Him off.

34 posted on 12/16/2009 8:28:20 AM PST by Gamecock
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And this type of “progressive” mentality - if it were back in the day - would be supporting some feminist mob calling for the “compassionate” abortion of God Himself due to Mary’s “unfortunate situation”.

I wonder too just why Jesus had to give His mother to His beloved apostle, John, for care until her death, from the cross itself, at the moment of His own death, IF He had so many “brethren” (or literal, brothers, as interpreted by the other “progressives” here rather than the researched common usage of the term at the time) who would have
naturally had that responsibility, esp. within the Orthodox Jewish Faith. Of course, just as this “preacher” does, apparently others here must, in this matter as well, rely only upon the limitations of the “literal” current interpretations by the skeptics.

Pick and choose your personal area for limiting God’s Holy Will!! It’s in fashion!!


45 posted on 12/16/2009 8:44:03 AM PST by Kandy
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Progressive. We all know what that means. A countrerfeit Christ, ditto. The spirit of anti-Christ claims that Jesus is not who He said He was. These leaders have veered off into a ditch


112 posted on 12/16/2009 12:22:47 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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ping!


129 posted on 12/16/2009 1:32:05 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-Mormon now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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Wow. Offensive beyond belief.


145 posted on 12/16/2009 2:39:54 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-Mormon now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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