Posted on 09/26/2009 7:15:42 PM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
"In an unprecedented find, a group of Egyptian researchers and archeologists has discovered a cache of coins from the time of the Pharaohs. Its importance lies in the fact that it provides decisive scientific evidence disproving the claim by some historians that the ancient Egyptians were unfamiliar with coins and conducted their trade through barter.
"The researchers discovered the coins when they sifted through thousands of small archeological artifacts stored in [the vaults of] the Museum of Egypt. [Initially] they took them for charms, but a thorough examination revealed that the coins bore the year in which they were minted and their value, or effigies of the pharaohs [who ruled] at the time of their minting. Some of the coins are from the time when Joseph lived in Egypt, and bear his name and portrait.
"There used to be a misconception that trade [in Ancient Egypt] was conducted through barter, and that Egyptian wheat, for example, was traded for other goods. But surprisingly, Koranic verses indicate clearly that coins were used in Egypt in the time of Joseph.
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Koranic verses in ancient Egypt...Mohammed wasn’t born until 570.
Their scholarly research seems a bit light.
Ping.
I believe that the reference is from within the koran, in an historical sense.
That would include the Torah, the Jewish histories, etc., and the New Testament. They also had some materials from an Arabic religious reformer to work into the mix.
The result was "The Koran", a document handed down intact by God through an Archangel.
Mohammad didn't just write the thing ~ he worked with documents he said he found in/on the floor of a cave.
Oh that is so cool!
I used to hate History as a 18 yr old college student. Now I think I am in love with it... :)
Funny what age brings to one’s point of view isn’t it?
That's a laugh! - The Bible proves that money was used in Egypt at the time of Joseph. - It clearly states that Joseph had his brother's money put back in their sacks.
The Koran can prove nothing!
Many Biblical stories are similar to those in Koran, because the latter absorbed the Jewish and Christian holy books and tweaked them here and there, and added the story about the ultimate prophet, Mohammad. For current Egyptian, then, the reference is Koran.
You mean handed up by Satan!
"Mohammad didn't just write the thing..."
No, he couldn't, he was illiterate
"he worked with documents he said he found in/on the floor of a cave."
Which was the completed koran, that had been written for him by Jewish sages, who made a fool of him, since he couldn't even read the document he had paid them to prepare.
The Biblical story of Joseph and his brothers speaks of “money” but that doesn’t necessarily mean coins. Lumps of silver could be used—they would just need to be weighed in each transaction. Archaeological evidence indicates that the first coins were minted around 600 B.C.
On the other hand, the story of Joseph in Genesis does mention coins... and it IS old enough to bear some weight (be used as a source).
The koran has absolutely nothing to do with God nor any of his Angels.
You'll have to head due South to find the entity responsible for that filthy book.
“tweaked them here and there”
UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR.
How about plagiarized the Torah & NT, and then after taking hallucinogens made from mixing camel dung with tarantula urine, moHAMhead jumbled the 2 texts up and said “dear sand worshipping pagans, as I rape your children, you will believe and memorize this new crap I have invented, and you will help me spread this around the world, or I will kill you.”
And thus was born from mucking fislam.
>You’ll have to head due South to find the entity responsible for that filthy book.
Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez? Mexico? Brazil? WHICH down south?
;)
“Found” in a building after being there years and years.
“Found” to be coins after years and years of being labeled trinkets and charms.
Hah!
A bit coarse, but I think you described the 'koranic' editorial process pretty well...
Independent verification of the existence of Joseph is very interesting.
Do some analytical reading. I gave you the sources used to prepare the Koran, so how did God deliver it through an Archangel? Hunh?
Beause the Committee that put it together said "Hey, yeah, God did it all, now buy this book".
“The Koran can prove nothing!”
It proves that Islam is a religion of murder.
I wonder why feminists don’t get worked up over the stuff in there about the blatant double standards. Women are more harshly punished, stuff like that.
Golden treasure hoard from the times immediately following the reign of King Arthur, and now coins from the time of Joseph in Egypt! This has been a good week for archeology.
The modern notion that the ancients were stupid knuckle-draggers has been tested, and found unworthy.
Hegelians can find that neanderthal, they just need to pick up a good mirror.
Because hypocrisy is a way of life with liberals. There is literally NOTHING that they do not have a double standard on.
,( : >)
koran......pffft.
It doesn’t even rise to the standard of toilet paper.
The story of Joseph doesn’t mention coins. It mentions “money” or “silver.” In the original Hebrew, the word is “keceph.” This means both “money” and “silver,” exactly as in French, where the word “argent” means both “money” & “silver.” (That’s why the periodic symbol for the element silver is Ag.)
For ages untold, beginning in Sumer, silver was hacked into small pieces & used as money until coinage was invented in Asia Minor around 600 BC.
(My master’s degree from Harvard is in Biblical archaeology, so trust me on this.)
“The result was “The Koran”, a document handed down intact by God through an Archangel.”
Respected scholars have reported that “The Koran” was actually found in a rest stop for camel jockeys; it was covered with sand, dirt, semen and feces. It was buried under a 2 meter layer of lard.
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I would just love to see the portrait of Joseph. Are there any pictures of the coins?
There was recently a thread here showing some coins dating more than 1000 years before that.
Depending on how accurate the portrait of Joseph is, this would be the first time in 20 centuries that anyone has been able to see what any bible figure looks like.
What this means is that what is taught at Harvard needs to be updated? According to my Douay Rheims, Joseph was in Egypt around 1720 B.C.
Maybe this will open an inquest into the lies surrounding Egyptology and the “lost Hittite” empire, that missing 800 years of history which Velikovski writes about. I think he had something to say about Joseph as well.
Regarding the quite obvious fact that the Koran was put together by a committee, it is known that this occurred in Damascus many years after his death. The far more voluminous Hadiths were also prepared by the same committee.
I said (quite sarcastically) this is how you get a Koran handed down by God from Heaven.
You have to tune up your writing ears a bit!
They too were marked with a "Bei".
My money is on things with "Bei" marks actually being the first coinage ~ if not coins.
There was a recent thread about the same coins supposedly dating from when Joseph was a powerful official in Egypt, but if there was another one I missed it. Numismatists say the earliest coins were minted around 600 B.C. in the kingdom of Lydia, in western Asia Minor, and the practice was soon picked up by the Greeks. If coins had been in use 1000 years before that, some of them would have been found in datable archaeological contexts since there are so many Bronze Age and early Iron Age sites which have been excavated in Greece, Anatolia, Syria, Israel, Iraq, etc.
The definition being pushed by the numistists is that anything round, with a head on one side, a message on the other side, and maybe a date of some kind, is a "coin" provided it was obviously issued by or under the authority of a government.
A Chucky Cheese token would qualify in all respects if it has a "value 1/10 of a cent" message somewhere ~ (as required by many state governments). Something that's not round wouldn't qualify.
All of which means one man's coin is another man's millstone!
Its clear from the Kabbalistic eschatology contained in the koran that it had to be written by apostate Jewish sages. Who else even understood such Satanic verses?
You do realize that before modern times, even going back into the Greek period, there were divergent Jewish sects ~ and many Jews who'd been long separated from the Jewish communities along the Mediterranean had their own visits with God AND kept at hand some of the older stories that'd been dropped by other Jews elsewhere.
The committee in Damascus simply called before them Arab followers of Mohammad who had copied down what he'd said to them and assembled it for review. Some items were clearly appropriate for the (then hypothetical from our Western point of view but "actual" according to the currently accepted Moslem point of view) Koran, other items assigned to the Hadiths (with sources identified), and yet others just set aside as not being Moslem, or not having all that much connection to to the main theme.
The written material was allegedly in Classical Arabic, but studyof some of the oldest copies of the Koran strongly suggests it was written in Aramaic ~ with written Arabic developing out of that linguistic tradition later.
The authorities in Damascus would have been schooled in Christian, not Jewish, eschatology.
From that point on not a whole lot is heard of Arabic, or Islam. The supposed Moslems actually attended Christian Orthodox religious services for the next 200+ years.
Over that period of time something happened to separate out the Arab Moslems from the Christians, and the Koran became an important item among the self-identified Moslems but not among the Christians.
Modern Islamic authorities suppress all attempts to research that period.
Fur Shur the Jews didn't do it!
You live in fantasy land! All very amusing, but no factual support.
Sure, there are Jewish materials involved ~ the Bible for one, and there exist Torahs that deviate from the standards originally set ~ and you can usually get a good fight going suggesting that the best known Torah in the West is, itself, one that deviates from the original.
So, whatever you want to think go ahead and think it but current research doesn't leave any room for the idea that Islam was a Jewish conspiracy.
“The Biblical story of Joseph and his brothers speaks of “money” but that doesn’t necessarily mean coins. Lumps of silver could be used—they would just need to be weighed in each transaction. Archaeological evidence indicates that the first coins were minted around 600 B.C.”
Be that as it may, part of the point is that the Ancient Egyptians had moved beyond the barter system for trade.
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