Posted on 06/19/2009 3:54:08 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02
DeMolay was not a mason.
Phillip the Fair of France was an outstanding monarch.
Support to that statement would depend upon who's perspective you were viewing from.
Edward II’s faggotry.
Fact.
dismember Edward II alive.
The version I have hear is that he was killed by some of his own ruling class, and no mention of dismemberment, but mention of the use of a hot poker.
I have no knowledge of Edward III lineage or what type of ruler he was.
My whole point in posting is to show my contempt for "royalty", and to imply that this attitude was possibly why the Huguenots were persecuted. They were a threat to the "rulers" power.
Respectfully
Fact.
Have you ever asked "hated by whom, and for what"?
Some of my ancestors claimed Scotch/Irish decent, but we have no evidence of why they made that claim. We can only go back to 1836 before we lose the trail. From that point forward, we have all the records.
Scot/Irish means they went back and forth...
One year in Ireland until a famine etc then to Scotland for a few generations until a famine there and so on...
My own family on my mothers side did that..
Hard to pin down..
But apparently it can be done...
Someone in our family paid bucks for the info from England..
Big chart of family members going back and forth...
Its impressive...
If it was all nobles I’d say Hmmmmmmmmm
But they’re mostly peasants LOL
As for the Knights Templars, apparantly they wanted to do the right thing but someone wanted them to do the wrong thing
or something
I am not into genealogy, except for an interest in how I acquired some of my family biases. Bigoted? NO. Biased? Yes. Culturally Biased Yes.
It is odd how values are conveyed from one generation to another without complete explanation of how they became part of the family makeup.
It is more evident in the South and West U.S. than in other parts of the country. It is less evident in cities everywhere.
Religious and moral values are the essence of the Nation. Without it the system no longer works. That is why our enemies try to destroy the family unit, destroy morality, destroy “genuine” religious belief. These are the enemies of mankind. This is the battle that we are now fighting, and will into the future fight until the end.
I have read the last chapter in my copy of “The Book” and do not pretend to fully understand it. But I understand enough to know that I want to be on Israel’s side in the current and coming battle.
It is coming.
I have a couple of Huguenot ancestors too. One of the names is on your list; Lamoureux. They eventually settled in Canada where they were early joiners of the sect that shall not be named.
His father, Ponce De La Gardie, was certainly as famous (although born of much lower rank in France). Yet, Ponce's mother, a Bourbon princess, is pretty much overlooked ~ even though one of her titles indicates she was the eldest daughter of a King of France.
Which one is a darned good question ~ you can find competing sources. Gives you an idea of the state of civil record keeping in the 1500s ~ really bad!
Christopher Columbus was a near contemporary to Ponce's father ~ just a generation earlier ~ and he, too, was supposedly of non-noble ranks YET he married a Braganza Princess!
In consideration of the normal living conditions in Europe in the mid-1400s to the mid-1500s I suspect these guys started off with a silverspoon in their mouths but didn't talk about it much. It was a normal practice for wealthy merchants and noble families to farm their kids out to relatives, friends or followers in safer and healthier villages and estates away from the disease rampant in cities and towns. This increased the chance of having a surviving heir.
Here is another that I suspected was Huguenot, but I don’t see him on you list. I wonder why.
Richard MONTAGUE
Sex: M
Birth: 1614
Boveney, Burnham Parish, Buckingham, England
Death: 14 Dec 1681
Hadley, Hampshire, Massachusetts
Parents
Father: Peter Of Boveney MONTAGUE Family
Mother: Eleanor (Helen) ALLEN
At the time (1638) that didn't mean "Finnish", it meant "Sa'ami". Numerous researchers had earlier determined that the greater part of the passengers had simply been rounded up by the authorities in the Winter for getting too close to Stockholm or other important cities. That included the men, women and children since the Sa'ami always traveled in family groups.
Once here their job was to cut down trees for the purpose providing ships' timber to the Swedish and English navies.
Shortly after the Dutch interference in the original colony the people moved across the isthmus to found what is now called Elkton MD on Chesapeake Bay. That became a very prosperous area because it was protected from the hurricanes and Nor'easters of the Delaware/New Jersey shore.
By the year 1700 this colony relocated out of the Delaware Valley to a new colony called York Pennsylvania. The purpose appears to have been to evade contact with the Quakers then being resettled into Lancaster and other areas by Penn.
By that time there were 5 Sa'ami settlements in Pennsylvania and 3 in Maryland.
Getting back to the Kalmar Nyckel, it must have been a miserable trip with all those family groups ~ yet this ship made three more voyages of similar nature.
Through the centuries the colonists have maintained some cohesiveness and communal coherence by setting up additional "colonies" which were almost all named after reindeer, Christmas or the Kalmar Union. Elkton, Deer Park, Christmas Tree, Uniontown (5 in Pennsylvania alone), and so forth. They march West pretty much in a straight line all the way to Kansas.
Canada ???
They may have gone there as Loyalists...
I dont have a Lamoureux in my lines but we may be cousins through some other families :)
Hi Couz !!!!!
The Huguenots married into only Huguenot families that they knew were “pure” ...
Just so no sneaky Catholic would carry off an unsuspecting daughter or son...
Our ancestors fought proudly to be Protestant and here we are 400 years later, you and I, still loudly proclaiming Christ!
Wow.
Montagne..
1. They may have been Catholic since they went to Massachusetts..
2. They lived in England for at least one generation and did not come directly from France...and may not have been recognized as Huguenot..
3. 200,000 French Huguenots fled from France in the 1680a when the Edict of Nantes was revoked..most of the Huguenots who landed here came then...He died before that happened..
However Montague is a fairly common French name...
Huguenot is pronounced OO-Ya-know
:)
I went and search my L’Amoureux (that’s the spelling on your list) and sure enough, there was my forebearer Andre’ Lamoureaux.
Among the early fugitives from
this suicidal act of persecution was
Andre Lamoureux, a shipmaster and
pilot of the small port of Meche (now
Meschers,) province of Saintonge
(now Charente Inferieure), near the
mouth of . Gironde and a short
distance be v Bordeaux. Accom-
panied by hk vife, Suzanne Latour,
and two childi , Elizabeth and Jac-
ques, he made ns way to Bristol,
England, with w “,h port the sturdy
shipmasters of th\ western coast of
France had established a thriving
trade. The records of the little
French church which the fugitives
promptly organized in Bristol show
that the colony maintained itself there
for many years. Unlike the larger
and better-known colony in London,
it did not attract to itself the refu-
gees of gentle birth and position, but
rather those whose commercial and
sea-faring occupations had made them
acquainted with this part of England.
Among these it is permissible to pre-
sume that Andre Lamoureux was a
man of exceptional strength of char-
acter and influence. The fact that
he was a pilot on the dangerous coast
of western France is evidence of the
first, and the frequent appearance of
his name in the records of other
members of the colony warrants the
second conclusion. Suzanne Latour,
his wife, was apparently a woman of
the same type, for both at Bristol and
in New York her name frequently ap-
pears in the records, and she was able
to educate her children to some de-
gree in spite of the lack of school
opportunities.
Thomas Latour for your Suzanne Latour...
May be a direct line...
With the Huguenots female ancestors also count...
:)
The we are blood sisters as well as sisters in Christ. Awesome.
My driver replied, "Bunch of Huguenots, they brought the weaving industry and own all the banks. Don't drink and party a lot, bad bunch them".LOL
Charlemagne, crowned Christmas Day, 800 AD
The GREATEST Frenchman ???
Yes, Huguenots went everywhere like the Diaporsa of the Jews...
Weaving... New Rochelle had lots of weavers...
Whole groups of them used to march in the big parades in NYC
Blood sisters R US
:)
Typical of France, kick out the productive ones.
I think that you will find a number of French names in No.Ireland. I read somewhere that William of Orange had a fairly large number of French Protestant troops at the batttle of the Boyne who had left their homeland because of religious persecution.
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