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To: HarleyD
All I can say is that there are mentally retarded who are saved and understand grace and there are some who are not saved.

So, the god you believe in sends "some" mentally retarded to hell?

The holiness of God is all that matters.

There is NOTHING from God that was not created for love.Nothing!

That God hates nothing by Saint Thomas Aquinas

AS love is to good, so is hatred to evil; we wish good to them whom we love, and evil to them whom we hate. If then the will of God cannot be inclined to evil, as has been shown , it is impossible for Him to hate anything.

2. The will of God tends to things other than Himself inasmuch as, by willing and loving His own being and goodness, He wishes it to be diffused as far as is possible by communication of His likeness. This then is what God wills in beings other than Himself, that there be in them the likeness of His goodness. Therefore God wills the good of everything, and hates nothing.

4. What is found naturally in all active causes, must be found especially in the Prime Agent. But all agents in their own way love the effects which they themselves produce, as parents their children, poets their own poems, craftsmen their works. Much more therefore is God removed from hating anything, seeing that He is cause of all.*

Hence it is said: Thou lovest all things that are, and hatest nothing of the things that Thou hast made (Wisd. xi, 25).

Some things however God is said, to hate figuratively (similitudinarie), and that in two ways. The first way is this, that God, in loving things and willing their good to be, wills their evil not to be: hence He is said to have hatred of evils, for the things we wish not to be we are said to hate. So it is said: Think no evil in your hearts every one of you against his friend, and love no lying oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord (Zach. viii, 17). But none of these things are effects of creation: they are not as subsistent things, to which hatred or love properly attaches. The other way is by God's wishing some greater good, which cannot be without the privation of a lesser good; and thus He is said to hate, whereas it is more properly love. Thus inasmuch as He wills the good of justice, or of the order of the universe, which cannot be without the punishment or perishing of some, He is said to hate those beings whose punishment or perishing He wills, according to the text, Esau I have hated (Malach. i, 3); and, Thou hatest all who work Iniquity, thou wilt destroy all who utter falsehood: the man of blood and deceit the Lord shall abominate (Ps. v, 7).*

30 posted on 06/19/2009 5:50:26 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; HarleyD
Hence it is said: Thou lovest all things that are, and hatest nothing of the things that Thou hast made (Wisd. xi, 25).

lol. And this is why that book is not part of the inspired word of God. The book of Wisdom, along with the other books of the Apocrypha, so obviously contradict God's word found in both Testaments.

Let's see what verse 27 of "Wisdom" 11 says...

"But thou sparest all: because they are thine, O Lord, who lovest souls." -- Widsom 11:27

Does this seem accurate to you? God "spares all?"

50 posted on 06/20/2009 11:32:46 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
So, the god you believe in sends "some" mentally retarded to hell?

What precisely is your criteria for going to heaven? Mine is you must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved. I didn't know the Bible came with exclusions and waivers.

There is NOTHING from God that was not created for love. Nothing! That God hates nothing by Saint Thomas Aquinas...it is impossible for Him to hate anything.

It's not that God hate us. Rather WE hate God. The WAGES of sin is death. God would not be just if He did not give us our due wages and those wages are death and hell-something that we work for. There is no one that seeks to do His pleasure. God's wrath waits for those who hate Him, not because He hates us.

Therefore God wills the good of everything, and hates nothing.

No, all things works together for good for THOSE WHO LOVE THE LORD JESUS. God rains equally on the just and unjust, but He only makes the trials turn to good for who love His Son.

Some things however God is said, to hate figuratively (similitudinarie), and that in two ways. The first way is this, that God, in loving things and willing their good to be, wills their evil not to be: hence He is said to have hatred of evils, for the things we wish not to be we are said to hate.

With all due respect, it seems St. Tom got wrapped around the axle on this. What gobbledygook. If God willed "their evil not to be" then it would be so. There wouldn't be any evil. But we know this isn't so. There is also NOTHING figuratively about the Lake of Fire or the burning HELL that awaits those who do not believe in His Son. I wonder how St. Tom would square that one.

The truth of the matter is that mankind starting from Adam, showed a desire to hate the things of God. This has progressively gotten worst over the centuries. We are simply evil, wicked, stiff-necked people that God has decided to show mercy. If we could but understand how much God tolerate us, then we would probably be a little more humble.

76 posted on 06/20/2009 1:28:38 PM PDT by HarleyD
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